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Old 27th April 2011, 12:36   #81
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I must say I'm really looking to the India tour and seeing Flower and Fletcher going head to head.
I hope they appear on Celebrity Deathmatch.
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Old 27th April 2011, 12:39   #82
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I hope you having been watching him bowl in the IPL.

Virat took him to pieces 10 minutes back. He's having a terrible time, I'd take Agarkar over Pathan.
I haven't had the privilege to see him bowl in the IPL, I mentioned his name cause he did well last time. I won't pay too much attention on what happens on flat pitches in IPL as the conditions are very different in England where swing bowlers do well. Almost everyone gets whacked in IPL anyway.
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Old 27th April 2011, 12:42   #83
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I haven't had the privilege to see him bowl in the IPL, I mentioned his name cause he did well last time. I won't pay too much attention on what happens on flat pitches in IPL as the conditions are very different in England where swing bowlers do well. Almost everyone gets whacked in IPL anyway.
He's bowling about the same pace as Harbhajan Singh. You'd be more likely to see Poonam Pandey stripping than him swinging the ball at the moment.

It's sad tbh, he promised so many great things. India ruined him badly along with King Greg.

Hopefully Ishant isnt going the same way.
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Old 27th April 2011, 13:25   #84
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Old 27th April 2011, 13:31   #85
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I'm warming to him. He's never going to be here after his 2 years anyway, so it's just tests he's gotta worry about and maintaining that number 1 spot and if we beat you, it'll **** off the English media and fans, what's better? Flower wants a break with England's schedule, India's is tougher so it wouldnt have been viable.

Most likely it'll only be Dravid who retires, if VVS can stay fit, during Fletcher's stay so it's not too much rebuilding.

The biggest ego's in the side are not the Dravid's, the Tendulkar's etc. It's the Virat Kohli's that will be need to be kept in shape, Kirsten did it, that'll be one of Fletcher's biggest tests, but then Dhoni is there and everyone respects him apart from Sree.
Flower didn't want to uproot his family to India I heard on Radio5 this morning.

If India win this summer - Tendulkar etc will get the credit. If India lose then Fletcher is the useful idiot to take the rap.

In that sense a cunning appointment by the BCCI.
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Old 27th April 2011, 13:52   #86
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^lol, true though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog...strong-leaders

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Before Kirsten they appointed Greg Chappell to try and give it to them. Chappell was a good coach in the wrong job. His Australian approach did not fit with the culture of the team or of the country. He was abrasive and always spoke his mind. So he rubbed people up the wrong way. Kirsten is a tough man, but he is also the kind who is quick to put an arm around your shoulder. He talks quietly to people and tries to motivate them in a positive way. That is why he has built up such good relationships with the Indian players. You hear them talking about him as though he were a friend more than a coach, which is very telling.

Take Sachin Tendulkar. Chappell almost seemed to want to provoke Tendulkar into playing better, but a player like that does not need challenging. Like all great sportsmen, he drives himself. I know that Kirsten gets on very well with Tendulkar. They talk cricket a lot. Tendulkar is very forthcoming with his ideas, but does not try to dominate discussions. He will make a suggestion, but will support Kirsten whether he goes with it or not. That is a real mark of the man. I like the fact that Tendulkar tried the captaincy and decided it was not for him, but still contributes so much to the team on and off the field. He does it without too much ego. When he gives advice to MS Dhoni he is not demonstrative. He does not wave his arms around just to show the crowd that he is still making decisions, but just walks up and has a quiet word in the captain's ear.

As in all things, you need a little luck to be a good coach and Kirsten is fortunate to have such good lieutenants in the team. The same goes for Dhoni. I have studied Dhoni closely over the years, and these days I am impressed with every single aspect of what he does. Technically, he is not a very good cricketer, but mentally he looks as though he knows how to work with the ability he has got.
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Old 28th April 2011, 09:15   #87
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In all seriousness I think Fletcher will find the sort of expertise that will stop your quick bowlers become wastrels shortly after they come on the scene, certainly for his spell in charge. I see that Ishant is ripping up batting line-ups in the IPL, no doubt his couple of months of rest away from international cricket and not getting bogged down playing ODIs might, just might help a little. Zak will certainly need support over here and maybe the support of Sree and will have India in a good position over here.
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No mention of the 5-0 Ashes drubbing though.
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There's probably no better coach to help the younger batsmen who will be taking over in a year or two. I wonder whether he will try to shoehorn in 5 bowlers in all circumstances. I reckon the Windies job would be a better one for him than this one to be honest.
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Steve James: India primed for a fall after reaching the heights of success

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Everywhere there is talk of India. Even last week’s Wisden dinner, held in the Long Room at Lord’s, was dominated, hijacked even, by an increasingly messy and heated panel discussion asking ‘Is the influence of Asia destroying world cricket?’

All the while the Indian Premier League rages on, even if its standard looks highly questionable; another feast of matches to digest so soon after the banquet of the World Cup. It is the only cricketing country that could even contemplate such glitzy gluttony.

But India are world champions. They are the top-ranked team in Test cricket too, with five players — Virender Sehwag, Sachin Tendulkar, VVS Laxman, Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Zaheer Khan — selected for Wisden’s Test XI in its 2011 edition. The same publication named its Leading Cricketer in the World as Tendulkar, and in both 2009 and 2010 it was Sehwag. India does indeed rule, on and off the field.

For how long, though? Off the field its political and financial clout looks untouchable. The offices of the International Cricket Council might be in Dubai, but cricket’s real centre is in Mumbai. And on the field the walls of success are hardly likely to come tumbling down in a jot. But that is not to say there should be complacency in that department. It is not as if India are like the Australian team of recent vintage. To attach such greatness would be downright wrong.

There are some wonderfully talented youngsters in Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina and Rohit Sharma, but the veterans are not Benjamin Buttons. Careers will end soon. Tendulkar will be 38 a week on Sunday. Rahul Dravid is 38, and Laxman is 36. The seam bowling is carried by Khan, who is 32.

And maybe most crucial of all, India do not have a coach at present. Amid all the justifiable paeans to Dhoni’s leadership after the World Cup, there was much less said about Gary Kirsten. But his influence has been hugely significant. And yet he has now returned home to South Africa, where it will be a surprise if he is not named as their new coach.

Kirsten simply missed his family too much to continue. And India will miss him. They now enter the coaching marketplace along with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and South Africa. Presumably there are some busy cricketing agents at the moment, as well as some excited out-of-work coaches. But I wouldn’t be too excited about the India job if I were them. It is surely the proverbial hiding to nothing.

Remarkably with so little previous coaching experience, Kirsten made such a good job of it by working exceptionally hard from the quietest of back seats. “The coach is not the man to sit on the parapets in cricket — it’s not like soccer,” he told me in 2008.

But it is still a fiendishly difficult job, as two other foreigners, John Wright and especially Greg Chappell, found before Kirsten. Chappell attempted radical change, in particular the removal of captain Sourav Ganguly, and very quickly discovered the meaning of player power. The players are everything in Indian cricket. They are idolised to an extent that we find difficult to comprehend in this country, and so no coach can ever be bigger than them. It is the trickiest of balances, with the public’s fascination and obsession easily turned to vitriolic condemnation on a whim.

For this current crop wealth and immortality are now secured. For a new coach there is only one way for the team to go, and that is downwards. A trip to the West Indies in June soon should not cause too many problems, but the visit over here to England this summer could.

I will be surprised if England do not win the four-Test series. Hopefully, as we speak, groundsmen around the country will have their thoughts and energies focused upon producing pitches with pace and bounce. That should give England the edge. Home advantage should be just that.

I played at the Oval in 1998 when Muttiah Muralitharan thought he was in Colombo for five days in taking 16 wickets. In 2009 a turning pitch was just right for Australia. It won’t be this year.

4-0 England seems like a foregone conclusion.
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I would actually back a draw for this summer's series. I think India's batting will be a whole lot more robust than anything England have come up against since, well their tour to South Africa. I also think that Zaheer and the likes of Sharma and Sree would have one test where they can get the 20 wickets they need. India may still come up against a pitch with enough zip that they would be knocked over but I think it would be a pretty even test series where India cling on to that no.1 ranking, which they will then retain when they get a result draw/win in Australia.
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I haven't had the privilege to see him bowl in the IPL, I mentioned his name cause he did well last time. I won't pay too much attention on what happens on flat pitches in IPL as the conditions are very different in England where swing bowlers do well. Almost everyone gets whacked in IPL anyway.
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He's bowling about the same pace as Harbhajan Singh. You'd be more likely to see Poonam Pandey stripping than him swinging the ball at the moment.
Irfan Pathan is highly unlikely to make England tour because he is recently back from a serious injury. Naturally, he started off at around 115-120kph at the beginning of the IPL - as most fast-medium bowlers would, on return from a year-long layoff. However, in recent games, he has been bowling back around 130kph and throughout the IPL, he has been swinging the ball in to the right hander. In T20 cricket with batsmen improvising and slogging, the swing won't have a great effect but I think that a strong Ranji season could catapult him back into contention.
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I would actually back a draw for this summer's series. I think India's batting will be a whole lot more robust than anything England have come up against since, well their tour to South Africa. I also think that Zaheer and the likes of Sharma and Sree would have one test where they can get the 20 wickets they need. India may still come up against a pitch with enough zip that they would be knocked over but I think it would be a pretty even test series where India cling on to that no.1 ranking, which they will then retain when they get a result draw/win in Australia.
I think it'll be 2-1 either way or or 1-1. And then we'll lose the ODI series.

Our bowling is underrated and only missing one bowler really, if Zak is injured we'll lose 3-1 though. Our batting that was bailed out too many times in the 2nd innings by Laxman last year is a problem. As there are rumours Laxman isn't fit and Dravid isn't having a great time at the moment, Sehwag is injured too and you wouldnt back him to score in England anyway, so it could be all on Sachin.
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I think it'll be 2-1 either way or or 1-1. And then we'll lose the ODI series.

Our bowling is underrated and only missing one bowler really, if Zak is injured we'll lose 3-1 though. Our batting that was bailed out too many times in the 2nd innings by Laxman last year is a problem. As there are rumours Laxman isn't fit and Dravid isn't having a great time at the moment, Sehwag is injured too and you wouldnt back him to score in England anyway, so it could be all on Sachin.
It's still a fair distance off so it is hard to judge, but what about the younger lads, will India give the likes of Kohli and Pujara a go over here? You're right on Sehwag I strongly suspect.
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I fear Yuvraj will be back after his World cup brilliance.

Hopefully, Pujara etc play in WI.
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I fear Yuvraj will be back after his World cup brilliance.

Hopefully, Pujara etc play in WI.
They really have to separate out ODI and test success. Yuvraj should have long since been sectioned to the shorter forms in the way that Bell despite his test success should be kept away from international one day cricket.
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No Sehwag for England supposedly.
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I should think not as he is Indian (not that it would usually stop us).
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