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Old 3rd July 2011, 10:22   #121
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Is Raina's bowling not decent enough not to worry about Yuvraj's?
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Old 3rd July 2011, 11:39   #122
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Both are inexperienced bowlers in the longer format but Yuvraj does have 109 ODI wickets to his name and looked high quality at times in recent ODIs. Raina is more of a golden arm, from what I've seen whereas Yuvraj has signs of genuine potential with the ball.
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I think it'll be 2-1 either way or or 1-1. And then we'll lose the ODI series.

Our bowling is underrated and only missing one bowler really, if Zak is injured we'll lose 3-1 though. Our batting that was bailed out too many times in the 2nd innings by Laxman last year is a problem. As there are rumours Laxman isn't fit and Dravid isn't having a great time at the moment, Sehwag is injured too and you wouldnt back him to score in England anyway, so it could be all on Sachin.
Meh not bad. Except swap Sachin with Dravid, and underrated with utter **** and missing 4 bowlers.
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Old 19th August 2011, 09:44   #124
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A where do you go from here sort of post. OK I realise that the test series is four days from being over, but the fall-out from this suggests that a few heads really must roll.

Now you could say that the BCCI must take a lot of the blame for getting an itinierary so badly wrong but even so this was ridiculous. That said, and I'm not an expert on their structure (ddb, Apoc enlighten me) do they have a jobs for the boys culture within there?

Anyways I really don't think that the likes of Raina and Yuvraj should ever play tests for you again and certainly not away from the subcontinent and even at home you really have a lot more talent than those guys in test match terms.

As for the bowling, Sreesanth should never play international cricket again, he once looked promising but at 28, he is yet another Indian 'pacer' (cf Times of India) who now bowls medium rubbish. Yet again India must look to the young bowlers with a bit of gas and get them on a fitness programme where they don't regress after a year of looking promising. Not overworking any young bowler by playing a meaningless glut of limited over games (50 and 20 overs) might help.

For Sharma, I have some sympathy. By the time he came to England he was probably suffering a bit having been on the go since the IPL (see paragraphs one and 3 for the root causes) and then having played in WI. By the time he came to England, and still had bowled well in the 2nd innings at Lords he must have been running on empty. However that means that there are really two quick bowlers that you need to find, in the likelihood that Zak will play a few tests more, here and there before his body will pack up for good.

What of the 3 big guns? I would suspect that VVS, SRT and the wall will go to Aus but will that mark the end for one or two? I should suspect that maybe one at least may go, possibly more?

Oh and you need to find a spinner as well, since you probably can't rely on Bhaji even though he may bowl ok on the bouncier pitches of Aus. I await your comments.

Edit: Harsha Bhogle has written on those sort of lines on cricinfo so read this. http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/528251.html
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Old 19th August 2011, 11:48   #125
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VVS in Aus. Dravid in SL. Sachin in Mumbai vs England. Pujara, Rohit and Rahane the replacements. Kohli for Raina.

Ashwin and Ojha as the spinners. Ishant, PK, Munaf and the only two players who can bowl 90+ in India. Might as well use them before they get ruined.

Not sure you can blame Sree on India though, he's ruined himself, he was OK in one spell in SA.
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VVS in Aus. Dravid in SL. Sachin in Mumbai vs England. Pujara, Rohit and Rahane the replacements. Kohli for Raina.

Ashwin and Ojha as the spinners. Ishant, PK, Munaf and the only two players who can bowl 90+ in India. Might as well use them before they get ruined.

Not sure you can blame Sree on India though, he's ruined himself, he was OK in one spell in SA.
Are Aswhin and Ojha good enough spinners for Test cricket? That's the most alarming thing in all this, amongst many, many alarming things, for me. They should never have stood in Chawla's way when Surrey wanted him to play for them a couple of years ago as he has missed out on valuable experience of English conditions and has gone nowhere.

I think Laxman needs to go, despite being the youngest of the big 3. Gambhir and Sehwag need to set the example when it comes to fitness. OK they aren't going to become super-athletes but India are getting left behind and can't hide behind 'we're great cricketers and can get away with it'. You are then looking for Fletcher to turn Kohli and Rohit Sharma into Test batsmen. Raina just doesn't look up to the requirements of Test cricket, at least not at the moment. I like the way Praveen bowled and Ishant Sharma at least got through a pretty gruelling 4 Test series, so it's a case of finding one other quick. Fletcher needs to get scouting on that front.
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Ojha is for sure. Ashwin, who knows, but worth trying.

Chawla is his own enemy.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 01:51   #128
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Like the England team which toured Australia in 06/7, this India team were made to look a lot worse than they are; it was a similar story of witless preparation, injury problems, and a downward spiral against rampant opposition.

What would be concerning me most as an India fan is the apparent dearth of top-quality spinners; Harbajhan has been on a free ride for years and years now, and can't be the best you have to offer on that front (unless the cupboard is barer than one could ever imagine it to be in India).

Ishant is a bowler to persevere with, and Kumar a solid operator in the Asif mould. But you need a gun, and India has always struggled to produce them; I'd be fascinated to see an informed analysis of why the fast bowling culture of Pakistan has been so much richer than that of India.

I wonder how Indian fans reflect on the Greg Chappell years now; he seemed to make a concerted effort to push younger players along with fitness and fielding standards, arguments which could be shouted down then but must surely be acknowledged now. Fletcher could probably do a good job nursing a transitional team, but I doubt he will be allowed to do the job his way.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 02:08   #129
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Regarding India and their pace bowling, what goes wrong? Many pace bowlers have burst onto the scene- there was Pathan in Australia, got some reverse too then declined, RP Singh looked handy, Munaf looked ok (again, got some reverse early in his career), Sharma looked fantastic- and is young enough to return to such heights.

Vaughan made an interesting point the other day, as well as us being much better through this series, in 07, if we exclude Zaheer two of these same bowlers (Sreesanth, RP Singh) were bowling at about 85mph or thereabouts- where did it go, the pace? In swinging conditions especially, would we have dominated the India bowling to the extent we have were Messrs RP and Sreesanth able to still bowl at that pace? Is a mystery though, how it seems to have tailed off for all in recent times (except Zaheer, who conversely seems to have improved from his early days).
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Chappell was a ****. That won't ever change.

Sree has himself to blame for getting into this state. He bowled that spell at Kallis in SA just 7 months a go. RP Singh has the BCCI to blame for tailing off, but then himself for not doing a Munaf.
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Ishant, PK, Munaf and the only two players who can bowl 90+ in India. Might as well use them before they get ruined.
Who are they?
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A fully fit Zaheer would be one? Sure Sharma was no slouch either for the first year or 2.
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A fully fit Zaheer would be one? Sure Sharma was no slouch either for the first year or 2.
Nope.

It's Aaron, who's in the ODI squad. He is hilariously overrated by some. We'll see how he does in England.

Yadav is the other, but he isn't held in the same regard.
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It's Aaron, who's in the ODI squad. He is hilariously overrated by some. We'll see how he does in England.
Do you think he'll get a game?
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Do you think he'll get a game?
Well Praveen and Vinay Kumar are two of the slowest pace bowlers in the world, so he must.
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Was reading an article that said the Indian bowlers need to bowl more.


'Srinath called for a cultural change in the mindset of young fast bowlers. "Guys like Sreesanth and Ishant need to bowl at least 1200 overs a year with at least 500 or 600 of them in county cricket in England, Australia and other first-class matches.

Pacers' first-class exposure from July 25-August 25:

Tim Bresnan - 3725 balls
Stuart Broad - 4083 balls
James Anderson - 5677 balls

Zaheer Khan - 1540 balls
Ishant Sharma - 2808 balls
S Sreesanth - 2358 balls

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archiv...by_Season.html

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Pl...by_Season.html
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Crikey that his quite a difference between the Englishmen and the Indians. To be fair Zaheer probably can't stay fit for long enough to bowl so many overs!
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Was reading an article that said the Indian bowlers need to bowl more.


'Srinath called for a cultural change in the mindset of young fast bowlers. "Guys like Sreesanth and Ishant need to bowl at least 1200 overs a year with at least 500 or 600 of them in county cricket in England, Australia and other first-class matches.

Pacers' first-class exposure from July 25-August 25:

Tim Bresnan - 3725 balls
Stuart Broad - 4083 balls
James Anderson - 5677 balls

Zaheer Khan - 1540 balls
Ishant Sharma - 2808 balls
S Sreesanth - 2358 balls

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archiv...by_Season.html


http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Pl...by_Season.html
What about from the WI tour to now for Ishant?

He's got an ankle injury, I guess bowling approx 300 overs in 7 tests over 7 weeks has done it?

Ruined another ****ing bowler.

No one left to ruin apart from maybe Jadeja. That would at least be fun.
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Mike Selvey is so far up King Greg's ass, I'm surprised he hasnt wrote an article just about their friendship.
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2014

Apr - World T20
May - IPL
July - England series 5 tests, 5 ODIs, 1 T20.



Also, WC final was on sky during the rain the other day, Sree was touching 90.

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