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Old 21st December 2015, 21:58   #41
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It is probably more likely that we'll see a reduction in test matches over the next 5-10 years than the West Indies, Zimbabwe or Ireland becoming competitive in the format (a little harder to predict with Sri Lanka or Bangladesh).
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Old 21st December 2015, 23:28   #42
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As someone who trades on test matches, I'm with the same ECB in wanting the cash cow to milk. More importantly, I've loved watching and talking about test cricket for almost 20 years. Even so, I have to agree that there's too much of it played by England. Possibly worse though, there's not nearly enough encouragement and support for it elsewhere. All of South Africa, New Zealand, Pakistan and Sri Lanka play good standard test cricket, particularly at home but don't play all that much of it and generally don't get decent length series to showcase and improve their games. Last time South Africa toured England they ought to be have been insulted by the outrage of only being offered a three match series and NZ and SL each only got two last time they toured, as warm ups to what turned out to be much less interesting series.
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Old 26th January 2016, 22:08   #43
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Boyd Rankin has switch back to Ireland. I'm not sure if I agree with that rule.
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Old 18th August 2016, 23:06   #44
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Thrashed today by Pakistan, they seem to be regressing which is unfortunate seeing as they will soon have the chance to play for their Test status. If they had the chance a couple of years ago they would have probably taken it and kicked on, which shows the downside of Test cricket being such an exclusive club.
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Old 19th August 2016, 09:55   #45
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No, the inability of associate nations to develop in a sustainable manner is exactly why test cricket must remain an exclusive club.
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Old 19th August 2016, 11:24   #46
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No, the inability of associate nations to develop in a sustainable manner is exactly why test cricket must remain an exclusive club.
Ireland did develop and were consistently beating Test nations at World Cups, but until they get Tests status their best players will always be poached by England.
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Old 19th August 2016, 13:52   #47
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Ireland did develop and were consistently beating Test nations at World Cups, but until they get Tests status their best players will always be poached by England.
Consistently?!?!

In ALL ODIs Ireland have beaten England once, Pakistan once and West Indies once, and sadly you have to class Bangladesh and Zimbabwe as Test nations and they've beaten them twice and thrice respectively.

Ireland ODI record vs Test nations

vs AUS : P4 W0 L3 NR 1
vs ENG : P7 W1 L5 NR 1
vs IND : P3 W0 L3 NR 0
vs NZL : P2 W0 L2 NR 0
vs PAK : P7 W1 L5 NR 0 (Tie 1)
vs SAF : P4 W0 L4 NR 0
vs SRL : P4 W0 L4 NR 0
vs WIN : P6 W1 L4 NR 1

vs BAN : P7 W2 L5 NR 0
vs ZIM : P9 W3 L5 NR 0 (Tie 1)

So overall they've played Test nations in 53 ODIs and won 8 of which 5 were against the weak sides of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe so just 3 wins in 37 goes against the "big boys"

Regardless whether the wins were in World Cups or not, they're hardly what most would call "consistently beating" them nor winning enough to suggest they should be playing Tests.

Back when Kenya were the side beating West Indies and other teams, and looked the best contender to next get Test status they were denied with a what I regard dubious call to give it to Bangladesh, I suspect there was plenty of politics involved.

Kenya have regressed, not sure if playing Tests would have advanced them that much as Bangladesh haven't, although Bangladesh have at least become more of a force in ODIs with wins over not only Zimbabwe but South Africa (2), India (2), Pakistan (3) and England (1) in the past 2 years, winning more than they've lost in those past 2 years and 23 ODIs (W18 L5)

In that same period they've won just 3 Test matches, all against Zimbabwe who've won just 3 of their last 27 Tests themselves, 2 vs Bangladesh and 1 vs Pakistan ie neither are particularly competitive themselves.

Bangladesh have managed more draws than before, a step forward from losing all the time with 8 of their 15 draws since debut in 2000 coming since February 2013.



In a nutshell IF a team were to be promoted to Test status, and I think there are too many teams already so lean towards tiers, they'd need to be putting up a better show than occasionally beating decent Test sides and getting hammered.

I sympathise re deserters playing for England so they can play Tests, but hopefully those that might still will see most fail to make the mark and only Morgan has sustained any kind of long term England career in recent years and even then only in ODIs.
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Old 24th August 2016, 18:07   #48
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For my small penny worth... Ways need to be found to push the game forward …. Whether it’s making Ireland a T2 test nation (to play the likes of Zimbabwe, Bangladesh or West Indies), or encompassing / encouraging smaller nations who may not / can not compete at Test level into the 50 or T20 world cups. When I saw the success of Rugby sevens at the Olympics, I was totally convinced I'd bring T20 to the Olympics and Commonwealth games. I would even consider rationalising some of our competitions to include Ireland (whilst their own domestic game settles), Scotland and Holland for the good of European cricket. I would also encourage a pathway for a couple of our minor counties to enter these competitions to bring new players / supporters in these areas into the game, rather than rewarding constant failure elsewhere. Cricket needs to nurture new development to drive the game forward. Ireland may be having a wobble…. But other countries have had worse than that. Good luck to them. If San Marino and Lichtenstein etc. can be given a chance in football, why not the smaller nations in T20 etc.? Sadly nothing seems to change and the game doesn't seem to want to move forward..... but move forward expand it must.....
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Old 24th August 2016, 23:50   #49
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Interestingly I saw that the Irish are playing a pseudo-first class tournament in Ireland now. The match that I clicked on cricinfo to have a look at the sides had live cricinfo text commentary. More than you get for County Championship matches. Didn't look terrible sides either (though Max Sorensen got taken to the cleaners - no surprise there).
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Old 21st September 2016, 18:41   #50
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Looking like both Ireland and Afghanistan will become test nations 11 and 12 at the same time.

Also, Ireland might play its first test against England at Lords in 2019. I might book my ticket now.
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Old 21st September 2016, 18:43   #51
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Looking like both Ireland and Afghanistan will become test nations 11 and 12 at the same time.

Also, Ireland might play its first test against England in 2019. I might book my ticket now.
A shame it isn't in Ireland. I would fancy the trip across!
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Old 23rd September 2016, 12:11   #52
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It's crucial for the game to have more Test nations, but it seems the ICC are akin to the ECB when it comes to changing the structure of competitions. At the start of the tournament the winner would play the lowest ranked Test side, now they are changing it half way through. This indecision is why it seems unlikely there will ever be a Test Championship.
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Old 24th September 2016, 09:26   #53
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It's crucial for the game to have more Test nations, but it seems the ICC are akin to the ECB when it comes to changing the structure of competitions. At the start of the tournament the winner would play the lowest ranked Test side, now they are changing it half way through. This indecision is why it seems unlikely there will ever be a Test Championship.
It really isn't. How big a draw are tests between, for example, West Indies and Afghanistan going to be? Matches like these will need to be hugely subsidised, taking money away from investing in the game in other ways and widening its appeal.
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It really isn't. How big a draw are tests between, for example, West Indies and Afghanistan going to be? Matches like these will need to be hugely subsidised, taking money away from investing in the game in other ways and widening its appeal.
It really is. If you want Test cricket to remain the pinnacle of the game, which I do, you need as many good teams playing it as possible. Teams will start of poor, but need the chance to develop in the same way Sri Lanka have.
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It really is. If you want Test cricket to remain the pinnacle of the game, which I do, you need as many good teams playing it as possible. Teams will start of poor, but need the chance to develop in the same way Sri Lanka have.
And not like Bangladesh or Zimbabwe presumably?
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Bangladesh are getting there. Zimbabwe perhaps not.

I really like the look of the current Afghan team. A lot more potential there than the Bangladeshi unit when they were given Test status. Sadly, for Ireland, there's been a fair old downhill path over the last couple of years. If given Test status though, we might see a few more plastic paddies from the UK and Australia take up arms for the Emerald Isle.
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Old 26th September 2016, 09:25   #57
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It's hard to know if this is just part of a natural cycle in performance that all teams go through or a sign that Irish cricket has peaked. They need to establish their domestic game and show they can produce more Rankins and Morgans before getting test cricket. I doubt either the ICC nor even Irish cricket would want their to be a further influx of ex-pats.

As for Afghanistan, I would be surprised if test status was afforded to another team in exile, as sad as that is.
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It's hard to know if this is just part of a natural cycle in performance that all teams go through or a sign that Irish cricket has peaked. They need to establish their domestic game and show they can produce more Rankins and Morgans before getting test cricket. I doubt either the ICC nor even Irish cricket would want their to be a further influx of ex-pats.

As for Afghanistan, I would be surprised if test status was afforded to another team in exile, as sad as that is.
The Irish team isn't as strong as it once was, but they need to be given Test status to keep their best players. No one is saying they should be having five match series against Asutralia, but if they were able to play five or six games a year and keep their best players they will be in a stronger position in five years time.
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The Irish team isn't as strong as it once was, but they need to be given Test status to keep their best players. No one is saying they should be having five match series against Asutralia, but if they were able to play five or six games a year and keep their best players they will be in a stronger position in five years time.
First class matches against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan on a regular basis and more ODIs/T20s against other nations. Your scenario won't retain more home grown talent, just like it doesn't for Zimbabwe.
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First class matches against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan on a regular basis and more ODIs/T20s against other nations. Your scenario won't retain more home grown talent, just like it doesn't for Zimbabwe.
Only time will tell, it is all speculation until it happens.
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