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Old 19th March 2016, 13:50   #21
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RE Scotland and HK- possibly not , but is that a bad thing? They are pretty garbage to be honest.

Although there are quite a few associates playing the game now, is there really any genuine appetite in these countries for the game? Excluding perhaps the Afghans, there isn't, it's just a few amateurs and ex-pats.The last country that had a genuine interest in the game to be included was Bangladesh, and they were promoted (only to have spent years getting their *** kicked). Test cricket is dying in most of the test countries already playing, so we must NOT create more test teams, leading to more one-sided thrashings that will diminish interest further.

A ten, max-12, team world cup is sufficient to avoid wasted matches and hopefully those associates that do qualify will be battle-hardened enough to give the established nations more of a game.
Nobody is saying give them test status, but rather provide more opportunities to play one day cricket and twenty20. There's no reason why England can't play a triangular tournament against Ireland and Scotland every year. Add Holland and you could have a European trophy. Afghanitan have already been admitted into the Asia Cup, why not expand that to include Hong Kong/China or the UAE.

There's plenty of things the ICC could do to nurture the game but aren't bothering.
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RE Scotland and HK- possibly not , but is that a bad thing? They are pretty garbage to be honest.

Although there are quite a few associates playing the game now, is there really any genuine appetite in these countries for the game? Excluding perhaps the Afghans, there isn't, it's just a few amateurs and ex-pats.The last country that had a genuine interest in the game to be included was Bangladesh, and they were promoted (only to have spent years getting their *** kicked). Test cricket is dying in most of the test countries already playing, so we must NOT create more test teams, leading to more one-sided thrashings that will diminish interest further.

A ten, max-12, team world cup is sufficient to avoid wasted matches and hopefully those associates that do qualify will be battle-hardened enough to give the established nations more of a game.
It's not exactly a surprise they are 'garbage' when your barely getting a game - prior to this Scotland played jut one ODI in the space of a year. Nobody is going to develop as a cricketer with such limited opportunities, it doesn't matter how good you are. That includes fixtures against Zimbabwe, who seem to have been placed in a complete state of flux.

Developing Test cricket world wide is really a pipe dream, if anything that form of the game like or not is decline. That might not be reflective in the likes of India, England and Australia, but for just three nations in a healthy state doesn't exactly make for a sustainable sport. The purists won't like it but T20 does very much hold the key to developing the game world wide. We've seen throughout the last few World T20s that the associate nations have been more than able to hold their own here.

It's diabolical that this tournament has moved to every four years. As I've already if an associate does at this stage have a handy young player - the Netherlands have several - then it's going to be incredibly difficult to get them committed to a four year cycle with minimal financial reward and an ultimate prize of just a couple of fixtures at the end of that.

I do find cricket's attitude towards developing the game and to a certain degree it' resistance to any form of change absolutely baffling.
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Old 20th March 2016, 13:41   #23
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But why does cricket need to develop the game beyond the current professional countries? It's struggling to survive in those ten, so development money might well be better spent on them first.
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But why does cricket need to develop the game beyond the current professional countries? It's struggling to survive in those ten, so development money might well be better spent on them first.
If it doesn't develop, it will die.
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If it spreads itself too thinly, it will die. And other simple platitudes
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I've answered this already on the other thread. Test match cricket is going to die whatever. That's not where the money should be invested, but rather where there's capacity to expand - twenty20 and ODIs (whilst there's still time to save one day cricket).
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They need to get T20 into the Olympics, that will get the likes of China's attention.
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They need to get T20 into the Olympics, that will get the likes of China's attention.
China would be a better option than USA. They held a few legend games in the US, but cricket is never going to take off there as there is already a crowded market with American football, hockey, baseball and basketball. Not sure what the national sport of China would be, probably Badminton or Table Tennis.
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China would be a better option than USA. They held a few legend games in the US, but cricket is never going to take off there as there is already a crowded market with American football, hockey, baseball and basketball. Not sure what the national sport of China would be, probably Badminton or Table Tennis.
There are four million people with a sub-continental origin in the US, barely any in China outside Hong Kong. That's why they'll keep trying for the US.
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There are four million people with a sub-continental origin in the US, barely any in China outside Hong Kong. That's why they'll keep trying for the US.
It will never take off in the US because of the other sports, baseball in particular. It will only ever be an obscur sport played a fraction of the population. Looking for countries with a big sub-continental origin population isn't the most imaginative way of going about an expansion strategy. FIFA isn't good at much, but it has done in a decent job of spreading football around the world, by exploring new territories and not just focusing on demographics.
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It will never take off in the US because of the other sports, baseball in particular. It will only ever be an obscur sport played a fraction of the population. Looking for countries with a big sub-continental origin population isn't the most imaginative way of going about an expansion strategy. FIFA isn't good at much, but it has done in a decent job of spreading football around the world, by exploring new territories and not just focusing on demographics.
This runs the risk of turning into another EU/Commonwealth/British Empire discussion, so for the sake of me remaining polite, I'm going to step out here.
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It will never take off in the US because of the other sports, baseball in particular. It will only ever be an obscur sport played a fraction of the population. Looking for countries with a big sub-continental origin population isn't the most imaginative way of going about an expansion strategy. FIFA isn't good at much, but it has done in a decent job of spreading football around the world, by exploring new territories and not just focusing on demographics.
Yep, there's a reason why Africa and co kept voting Blatter and his cronies back in. The previous but no less corrupt beast gave them absolutely nothing. I wouldn't however say that FIFA did anything for the genuine good of those nations, it was all part of their twisted game - it just happened that developing the game worldwide was a useful by product. Anyhow that's moving a little bit off topic and not particularly relevant.
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I see no real reason why we should play Bangladesh and not play Afghanistan tbh.
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Nobody is saying give them test status, but rather provide more opportunities to play one day cricket and twenty20. There's no reason why England can't play a triangular tournament against Ireland and Scotland every year. Add Holland and you could have a European trophy. Afghanitan have already been admitted into the Asia Cup, why not expand that to include Hong Kong/China or the UAE.

There's plenty of things the ICC could do to nurture the game but aren't bothering.
scotland and netherland are as crap as nepal and HK teams,i would suggest england should play series of matches in Dubai
with Afghanistan / ireland and zimbabwe ODI OR
with bangladesh /ireland and westindies in england mini royal cup.20/20
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i am against the test tier program and i support both BD and SL otherwise from 2019 or before, Nepal,Hongkong,scotland,UAE, Afg and Ireland will be enter in test tire 2 which they not deserves.
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I haven't seen a thread about them yet.

It seems they have captured my interest over the last few months, just how the way they have grown so quickly. They have a opener called Ali who would easily be good enough to play for a county side, and I hear they have some youngsters who are also pretty good.

As I said in another thread, It's nice to see a new team playing cricket.
well afghanistan win yesterday with the help of Mohammad Shahzad, wicket-keeper batsman 91 ball 84 in the 2nd ODI vs scotland.they have allrounder Rashid khan and batsman Zadran and Rahmat shah [ 100 in 1st odi last week ]
but Ali i do not know.Nabi also good allrounder.
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Afghanistan starts 5 ODI series vs Ireland in Belfast first game no result coz of rain,2nd game Afghanistan batted first posted 250 with shahzad's 66 and Zadrans 59

Ireland were 114 for 1 but vs spinner Rashid khan Ireland capitalized and dismissed for 211,lost by 39 runs.Rashid took 3 catches & 10/2/28/3

3rd ODI today July 14th later on.Afghanistan lead 5 match series 1/0
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afghanistan should play ODI vs test nation

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I see no real reason why we should play Bangladesh and not play Afghanistan tbh.
Right all test playing nation should play with Afghanistan ODI series so their ratings can boost for September 2017 cut off date.

Afghanistan far more better than Zimbabwe and Bangladesh in Limited format or multiday games
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Afghanistan beaten yesterday after big stand between JOYCE [ 105 N.O ]
and kevin O'Brien [75] winning by 6 wicket chasing 237 in 3rd ODI

5 match series 1/1 [ first ODI wash out ]
Shahjad scored 81 for AFG.236 off 49.1 overs, all out.
McCarthy and Kevin shines with ball.
english test batsman paul terry's son debut
for ireland out in single digit.
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Thumbs down Afghanistan depends on Mohd.Shahzad

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I see no real reason why we should play Bangladesh and not play Afghanistan tbh.
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mohd Shashzad is their [ afg] main batsman
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he scored in his last 4 innings in ODI if he got out early, they are NO BODY
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Rashid put skids under Ireland

Afghanistan beat ireland in the 4th ODI
AFG 109 for 6 back into game by Nabi [50] and Rashid khan Arman 60 not out &
10/2/28/3
ireland out cheaply after Joyce's controversial run out.he hits toward bountry he ran 2 and stops running and just walk back to return to the crease thought ball cross bountry line but ball return without being cross and keeper broke the stumps umpire given him out as he was in the middle of pitch.

afghanistan lead 5 match series 2/1 last game on tuesday.

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