Stuart Broad - Page 6

**Chin Music** · 8th August 2007, 11:12

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

In the dim and distant past I seem to remember there being transfer restrictions between the counties. IIRC a county could only sign a certain amount of category A players over a certain period (2 every 3 years?). This basically stopped the test hosting counties hoovering up the talent.

I presume these regulations disappeared with either advancements in European employment law or the two tier system and its now a free for all for counties like Warwickshire to flex their finanical might?

Its more likely European law such restrictions would clearly be a restraint in trade.

Kim · 8th August 2007, 11:24

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

In the dim and distant past I seem to remember there being transfer restrictions between the counties. IIRC a county could only sign a certain amount of category A players over a certain period (2 every 3 years?). This basically stopped the test hosting counties hoovering up the talent.

I presume these regulations disappeared with either advancements in European employment law or the two tier system and its now a free for all for counties like Warwickshire to flex their finanical might?

All gone. No categories now. You arent allowed to approach players under contract for the current and next season, unless given permission. If you make an unauthorsed approach the minimum fine is 20k, max 50k. But this has never happened. Ahem.

On April 10th every year every county has to circulate a list of players out of contract at the end of the year to all the other counties and the ECB.

If a county wants to approach one of these, after April 10th, they have to give 28 advance written notice of such intent to the player's county. And thats it.

Minor Maggie · 8th August 2007, 12:03

Shame we can't find out who these players out of contract are!

**geoff_boycotts_grandmother** · 9th August 2007, 02:40

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Originally Posted by Kim

All gone. No categories now. You arent allowed to approach players under contract for the current and next season, unless given permission. If you make an unauthorsed approach the minimum fine is 20k, max 50k. But this has never happened. Ahem.

On April 10th every year every county has to circulate a list of players out of contract at the end of the year to all the other counties and the ECB.

If a county wants to approach one of these, after April 10th, they have to give 28 advance written notice of such intent to the player's county. And thats it.

Turns out that is quite a topical point at the moment, given Nayan Doshi's (non)registration!

Slater · 9th August 2007, 21:15

Good day for him.

Didn't know he batted that high.

Minor Maggie · 11th August 2007, 18:27

Good game for Broad with the bat against Derbyshire unbeaten in both innings and 91* in the 2nd. However he has failed to finish an over for Leics. Anyone know what has happened to him?

**V4never** · 12th August 2007, 14:36

Maybe he's already on the way to ~~Yorkshire~~ ~~Lancashire~~ ~~Hampshire~~ ~~Surrey~~ Warwickshire?

LUHG · 12th August 2007, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Minor Maggie

Good game for Broad with the bat against Derbyshire unbeaten in both innings and 91* in the 2nd. However he has failed to finish an over for Leics. Anyone know what has happened to him?

Dunno what happened but he finished with 131 runs without being out and 8-116 including a five fer in the second innings. Not bad.

mark nicholas' lawyer · 12th August 2007, 15:02

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Originally Posted by vaughan's #1 fan

Maybe he's already on the way to ~~Yorkshire~~ ~~Lancashire~~ ~~Hampshire~~ ~~Surrey~~ Warwickshire?

hasn't he agreed to sign for notts?

**Rey** · 12th August 2007, 20:57

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Originally Posted by LUHG

Dunno what happened but he finished with 131 runs without being out and 8-116 including a five fer in the second innings. Not bad.

Quite a performance, the hype machine will be working at top speed after that.

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Originally Posted by IGHOLS?

hasn't he agreed to sign for notts?

So Kim says.....

Kim · 12th August 2007, 21:28

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Originally Posted by °Rey de España°

Quite a performance, the hype machine will be working at top speed after that.

So Kim says.....

Local reporter was certain the deal had been done, a pretty reliable source at Notts said the same and Notts do tend to get the players they want (private benefactor funds some salaries Ive been told). But Im not as sure as I was - or maybe Im just ridiculously optmistic that Warwicks will at last out bid Notts who beat us for Swann and Sidebottom.

LUHG · 12th August 2007, 21:43

When does the system of payments to counties based on their number of England players start? Seems to me that Broad may be moving just when he is on the cusp of a significant (we hope) England career and a central contract. So (say) Warks pinch him on a big salary for which they are compensated by the ECB even though he has barely played for Warks and may not do so much for several years. Would Warks actually make a profit, or at least break even, on this while Leicestershire get nothing?

Or am I misunderstanding how these proposals would work?

Maty · 12th August 2007, 21:45

how very loyal of him....

1000yardstare · 12th August 2007, 21:51

Boycott said he has gone to Warks.

Kim · 12th August 2007, 22:14

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Originally Posted by LUHG

When does the system of payments to counties based on their number of England players start? Seems to me that Broad may be moving just when he is on the cusp of a significant (we hope) England career and a central contract. So (say) Warks pinch him on a big salary for which they are compensated by the ECB even though he has barely played for Warks and may not do so much for several years. Would Warks actually make a profit, or at least break even, on this while Leicestershire get nothing?

Or am I misunderstanding how these proposals would work?

As I understand it, counties now can make up to K100 for a centrally contracted player (ie theres a profit rather than just having the players costs covered). So signing a Broad is a no brainer. If England dont pick him you have a good player - if you lose him you make a profit.

On the overall thing, having more than two non England qualified players costs you about 25K per season per extra player over the two. But a player counts as England qualified wherever he comes from. So Maddy, Loudon, Ambrose etc all count for us even though we nicked them from elsewhere. Its not good.

Kim · 12th August 2007, 22:14

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Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion

Boycott said he has gone to Warks.

He met with us for the first time last Tuesday.

LUHG · 12th August 2007, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Kim

As I understand it, counties now can make up to K100 for a centrally contracted player (ie theres a profit rather than just having the players costs covered). So signing a Broad is a no brainer. If England dont pick him you have a good player - if you lose him you make a profit.

On the overall thing, having more than two non England qualified players costs you about 25K per season per extra player over the two. But a player counts as England qualified wherever he comes from. So Maddy, Loudon, Ambrose etc all count for us even though we nicked them from elsewhere. Its not good.

So thoretically... if Broad had a great winter and a small injury early next season but was fit for the first test, Warks would start making money on a player who has never actually played for them? I'm surprised they didn't build something in for the counties who actually find and develop the players.

You're right about Warks though - it's a no-brainer. Even if he plays a lot for England he will play some CC games plus the 20/20 stuff and some other one dayers where he does very well.

A well meaning scheme but maybe needs fine-tuning.

**geoff_boycotts_grandmother** · 13th August 2007, 02:20

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Originally Posted by Kim

As I understand it, counties now can make up to K100 for a centrally contracted player (ie theres a profit rather than just having the players costs covered). So signing a Broad is a no brainer. If England dont pick him you have a good player - if you lose him you make a profit.

On the overall thing, having more than two non England qualified players costs you about 25K per season per extra player over the two. But a player counts as England qualified wherever he comes from. So Maddy, Loudon, Ambrose etc all count for us even though we nicked them from elsewhere. Its not good.

Loudon and Ambrose were not getting sufficient opportunities at Kent and Sussex, so it is to English cricket's advantage that they moved to a county that would play them.

Kim · 13th August 2007, 13:05

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

Loudon and Ambrose were not getting sufficient opportunities at Kent and Sussex, so it is to English cricket's advantage that they moved to a county that would play them.

Dont disagree with that. But the system still needs looking at to ensure adequate rewarsd for counties who produce players V counties, like us and Notts, who snaffle other counties products up..

LUHG · 13th August 2007, 13:19

I can see a business opportunity for someone to form a new virtual county who poaches top players and receives ECB money for their services to England. They wouldn't even have to play any cricket or anything like that. Everybody wins - the players gets a pay raise without the chore of playing county cricket, the ECB get their players nice and fresh and don't have to do all that messy liaison with the counties and the new 'county' makes money. Oh, and the other counties don't have to play against the best players.

Wins all round.

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8th August 2007, 12:03	#103
Minor Maggie Buttleresque Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leeds Team(s): Lancashire, England Posts: 26,765	Shame we can't find out who these players out of contract are!

9th August 2007, 21:15	#105
Slater International Material Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Herefordshire Team(s): England Posts: 1,892	Good day for him. Didn't know he batted that high.

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Minor Maggie Buttleresque Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leeds Team(s): Lancashire, England Posts: 26,765	Good game for Broad with the bat against Derbyshire unbeaten in both innings and 91* in the 2nd. However he has failed to finish an over for Leics. Anyone know what has happened to him?

12th August 2007, 21:43	#112
LUHG Established International Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,552	When does the system of payments to counties based on their number of England players start? Seems to me that Broad may be moving just when he is on the cusp of a significant (we hope) England career and a central contract. So (say) Warks pinch him on a big salary for which they are compensated by the ECB even though he has barely played for Warks and may not do so much for several years. Would Warks actually make a profit, or at least break even, on this while Leicestershire get nothing? Or am I misunderstanding how these proposals would work?

12th August 2007, 21:45	#113
Maty Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Team(s): Derybshire Age: 30 Posts: 13,332	how very loyal of him....

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13th August 2007, 13:19	#120
LUHG Established International Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,552	I can see a business opportunity for someone to form a new virtual county who poaches top players and receives ECB money for their services to England. They wouldn't even have to play any cricket or anything like that. Everybody wins - the players gets a pay raise without the chore of playing county cricket, the ECB get their players nice and fresh and don't have to do all that messy liaison with the counties and the new 'county' makes money. Oh, and the other counties don't have to play against the best players. Wins all round.