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Old 31st December 2009, 00:45   #41
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If you get the chance he's well worth watching with a bat in his hand these days as he's not short of shots.
Ah, found the stats.

Essex 6 hitters last season in fc

RtD 10*
Napier 6
Kaneria 5
Foster 5
Middlebrook 3
Bopara, Cook, Masters, Maunders, Walker 2
Amla, Gallian, Chopra, Pettini, Phillips 1

He's keeping some pretty elite company there!


*And 8 of these were off the final 59 balls of the season
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Old 31st December 2009, 20:16   #42
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Going back to Bond, he had the best strike rate and the 5th best average of all test bowlers in this decade.
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Old 1st January 2010, 13:17   #43
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Going back to Bond, he had the best strike rate and the 5th best average of all test bowlers in this decade.
I'd say the fact that he has the third best strike-rate of all-time is even more impressive.
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Old 1st January 2010, 13:42   #44
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I'd say the fact that he has the third best strike-rate of all-time is even more impressive.
Agreed had a brilliant strike rate and was not just about raw pace, used his brains quite a lot.

Not sure what the standard of physios they had for NZ cricket, but they couldn't get him fit for an extended period of time and it's a shame.
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Old 2nd January 2010, 11:00   #45
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Agreed had a brilliant strike rate and was not just about raw pace, used his brains quite a lot.

Not sure what the standard of physios they had for NZ cricket, but they couldn't get him fit for an extended period of time and it's a shame.
Don't think the standard of physios was the problem with Bond. He just didn't have a body that was durable enough to withstand the demands of test cricket.

I guess there are quite a few other fast bowlers that have had their fair share of injury problems too, Flintoff, Lee, Steyn, Edwards etc. It puts a lot of stress on your body trying to bowl long spells of 140-150kph.
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Old 5th January 2010, 22:29   #46
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Big blow for New Zealand, shame he had to go was a fine bowler when fit.

You never know, a core attack of Bond, O'Brien, Martin and Vettori could have stretched the current Australia side somewhat for the upcoming series in a few months. Would have been an interesting series.
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Old 7th January 2010, 12:26   #47
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That attack would have done well against this current Aussie lineup.
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Old 8th January 2010, 04:59   #48
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Big blow for New Zealand, shame he had to go was a fine bowler when fit.

You never know, a core attack of Bond, O'Brien, Martin and Vettori could have stretched the current Australia side somewhat for the upcoming series in a few months. Would have been an interesting series.
It should still be an interesting series. The Aussies certainly aren't as strong as they used to be, shown by the way they have struggled to beat the West Indies and Pakistan at home.

Would have been easier with Bond and O'Brien of course but I think we'll still give the Aussies a good run for their money and aren't without a chance of winning the series.
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Old 8th January 2010, 13:20   #49
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It should still be an interesting series. The Aussies certainly aren't as strong as they used to be, shown by the way they have struggled to beat the West Indies and Pakistan at home.

Would have been easier with Bond and O'Brien of course but I think we'll still give the Aussies a good run for their money and aren't without a chance of winning the series.
Where your lads going to get the 20 wickets from? Yes, the Aussies are vulnerable for sure, just not sure if NZ can take advantage of this.
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Pretty much agree with Geiiir: the Kiwi attack really does lack the necessary penetration to take 20 wickets often enough and cheaply enough even against a rather vulnerable Aussie batting line up. Given the state of the Kiwi batting, even if 20 wickets do eventuate, you'd back the Aussies to take 20 Kiwi wickets cheaper. I hope I'm wrong mind.
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Old 9th January 2010, 04:24   #51
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Where your lads going to get the 20 wickets from? Yes, the Aussies are vulnerable for sure, just not sure if NZ can take advantage of this.
Well we still have some useful bowlers even without Bond & O'Brien. The likes of Martin, Southee, Tuffey & Franklin would probably all be in the mix. Not sure what's happened to Mark Gillespie, he seems to have dropped off the radar but he has pace and is a wicket taker even if he can be a bit of a pie merchant at times. Obviously we should have an advantage in the spin department with Vettori, as well as Patel for back up or possibly even partnering Vettori if conditions suit spin.

The Aussies probably have more of an advantage over us in the batting department than they do in the bowling department, especially the top order. Hopefully Ryder is fit for the test series as we badly need his class in the top order.
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Well we still have some useful bowlers even without Bond & O'Brien. The likes of Martin, Southee, Tuffey & Franklin would probably all be in the mix. Not sure what's happened to Mark Gillespie, he seems to have dropped off the radar but he has pace and is a wicket taker even if he can be a bit of a pie merchant at times. Obviously we should have an advantage in the spin department with Vettori, as well as Patel for back up or possibly even partnering Vettori if conditions suit spin.
Mark Gillespie recently made a comeback for an NZ-B team against England U-19s. Ryder made his comeback as a pure batsman (batted with a runner, didn't field, didn't bowl) in the same game.
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I don't rate Gillespie as I don't think he is consistent enough. Tuffey looks the most consistent seamer at present.

Is Trent Boult good enough and what about the leg spinner Nathula? is he promising?
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I don't think Gillespie is good enough, but given the lack of options and if he can get his pace back, he may earn a chance.

I've not seen Nethula bowl, but Boult looks a bit raw at the moment. Give him another full season and see if he can stay fit. Certainly shouldn't throw him in against the Aussies to get owned.
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Brent Arnel? is he close to being selected. If I am right he was in the squad to tour Srilanka.
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Brent Arnel? is he close to being selected. If I am right he was in the squad to tour Srilanka.
A pretty useful bowler, but Arnel - Tuffey - Martin is a pretty one-dimensional seam bowling line up. I guess they may stick with the long tail from the last Napier test, and bring in Arnel for the departing O'Brien in a 4 man pace attack, but again, its all pretty similar stuff, even with Southee in the mix. I'd like to see a left-armer in there, or someone with a bit of brute pace.
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Brute pace? is there any quick with brute pace? Butler had a bit of pace but has lost pace since coming back from injury.

Gillepsie too was about fast medium and whenever I saw him he struggled to bowl line and length.
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Brute pace? is there any quick with brute pace? Butler had a bit of pace but has lost pace since coming back from injury.

Gillepsie too was about fast medium and whenever I saw him he struggled to bowl line and length.
Sadly, no one who I can think of that has the ability to play internationals. The hopes were Te Ahu Davis and Richard Sherlock, but they're not as fast as they were following a couple of injuries.
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In that case I would rather have consistent seamers like Martin, Tuffey and co.

I do think Tuffey is underrated. He seems to go through periods where he loses confidence like in England in 04 and of course playing in that ICL and some injuries didn't help but when he is in form he is a good bowler. For a tall guy he bowls a touch fuller and that is what I like about him. Tuffey also averages about 30 which is better than many quicker bowlers going around at present!

Just have a look at what he could do even on unhelpful tracks for the seamers like in India in 03/04.

So what type of wickets NZ may prepare against Aus? NZ may have an advantage in the spin department with Vettori and Patel though Hauritz has been in good form.
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Hauritz is okay and can take wickets but I'd back Vettori and Patel to outbowl him everytime.
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