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Old 8th March 2012, 07:21   #181
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Dravid to retire

Rahul Dravid is likely to announce his retirement on Friday. Dravid, 39, has called a press conference in Bangalore that will also be attended by N Srinivasan, the BCCI president.

Dravid is set to be the first of India's senior-most cricketers - including Sachin Tendulkar and VVS Laxman - to quit the game after a season of speculation surrounding their future. His decision follows a poor tour of Australia but he enjoyed a prolific run through 2011, on tours of the Caribbean and England.

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Old 16th March 2012, 13:57   #182
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Old 25th March 2012, 03:24   #183
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I concur. As with Sobers, Lloyd, Richards and many others he stands out like a beacon, not just as a cricketer, but as a symbol, a sportsman. Hopefully he can retire with grace and dignity.
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Old 26th March 2012, 21:53   #184
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Old 11th June 2012, 11:37   #185
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Chin might like this article:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/567972.html

Full of straw man arguments that dilute the good points that have been put across.
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Old 21st June 2012, 15:01   #186
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A bit of a chastening experience for India's young batsmen in the West Indies recently:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;typ e=series

I'm sure that touring against the WI A was not what these guys wanted to do after the IPL, but only Pujara had a reasonable series with the willow whereas Mukund and Rahane in particular had a terrible time. Rohit Sharma also outbowled Rahul.

Kieran Powell, made to look pretty inadequate in England recently, must have learnt something as it was his 100 and 50 in the third test that swung the series in the hosts favour.
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Old 21st June 2012, 18:09   #187
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A bit of a chastening experience for India's young batsmen in the West Indies recently:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;typ e=series

I'm sure that touring against the WI A was not what these guys wanted to do after the IPL, but only Pujara had a reasonable series with the willow whereas Mukund and Rahane in particular had a terrible time. Rohit Sharma also outbowled Rahul.

Kieran Powell, made to look pretty inadequate in England recently, must have learnt something as it was his 100 and 50 in the third test that swung the series in the hosts favour.
Erm...I'm sure that's total bs, too.

**** happens, it's just maybe no FC game for 3 months before an away tour doesn't help youngsters and they need time anyway. Didn't exactly bat great last time out in WI in 2011 but at least they didn't struggle against Bangaldesh, eh? http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;typ e=series
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Old 22nd June 2012, 10:48   #188
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Erm...I'm sure that's total bs, too.

**** happens, it's just maybe no FC game for 3 months before an away tour doesn't help youngsters and they need time anyway. Didn't exactly bat great last time out in WI in 2011 but at least they didn't struggle against Bangaldesh, eh? http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;typ e=series
Keep on topic.

The wickets in the WI might have been terrible, but with several slots opening up in the Indian middle order over the next year you'd probably want to see the young pretenders grasp opportunities.

Do you think Pujara is now firmly next-in-line for the test side or is Sharma still favoured? Or will the Indian selectors be conservative and go for an older hand, e.g. Yuvraj if his continued recovery goes well.
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Keep on topic.

The wickets in the WI might have been terrible, but with several slots opening up in the Indian middle order over the next year you'd probably want to see the young pretenders grasp opportunities.

Do you think Pujara is now firmly next-in-line for the test side or is Sharma still favoured? Or will the Indian selectors be conservative and go for an older hand, e.g. Yuvraj if his continued recovery goes well.
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No chance of Yuvi, not sure he'll be fully fit till ODIs vs England either. Pujara should have always been first in line tbh, not many contribute in a winning chase on debut. Worry was only if the injuries would hamper him. I would hope that the selectors are not stupid(ha) but new panel for England series anyway I think. VVS needs to go still, hopefully after the Hyderabad test at the latest.
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Old 22nd June 2012, 16:52   #190
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I guess they may be tempted to stick with the devil-they-know option in VVS for the England series. However, India might want to try a new batsman that the English bowler's won't have seen before.

I've not seen enough of Pujara to make a judgement. I was impressed by Rahane in the IPL and although its a hugely different format he appeared to have a sound technique and good range of shots to at least succeed in tests in the sub-continent now and elsewhere later in his career.
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It's sad that people can't just leave the kid alone, he's destined to become the next Rohan Gavaskar and he's 12.
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Old 26th June 2012, 22:53   #193
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Leftie, also looks like they've put loads of make up on him in that photo??
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Old 19th December 2012, 05:49   #194
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The India Thread

After losing 8 test matches last year while touring and losing 2 this year at home, Dhoni and his boys have managed to do something which I think hasn't been done here before - start an India thread.

While I was reflecting back, I think the board and selectors are more to be blamed than the players. We have seen Kris Srikkanth come out strongly against Dhoni and some of the team members in the media. What he needs to remember is that all this started when he was the Chairman of selectors. He should have done what Mohinder Amarnath did - stand up to the establishment if that establishment was reluctant to make changes. Thanks to Amarnath, we realise that at least someone in the cricketing establishment was hurting while the team kept losing.

Coming to Dhoni, he has been parroting the line that it is during tough times that a leader is most needed. If that is so, then it is high time we get someone new because Dhoni isn't make much of a change. He lost in England, he lost in Australia, and now he's lost at home as well. In addition, he has been absent as a captain, looking lost, lacking inspiration, and letting most games drift while he waited for something to happen.

Sachin Tendulkar is still probably as passionate about cricket as he was when he started playing cricket. Well, I am as passionate watching test cricket now as I was before Sachin started playing, so why not the same for Sachin. But that passion for the game might necessarily not translate to great performance on the field. While Sachin's retirement is in his hands, the fact that whether he should be in the team needs to be in the hands of the selectors. Also, Sachin too needs to sit back and reflect, especially at the way he has been getting out. He is repeatedly getting bowled, being late on the ball, unable to either get his foot forward enough or too slow to get his bat down.

We need to look at batsman who are fighters. I am okay if they are slightly limited in terms of strokeplay. I would want someone who would stick it out in the middle than someone who would play a few attractive strokes and then get out soon. We need batsmen who would make runs regardless of the conditions or bowlers.

We need bowlers who are fit. The problem we face currently is that we have guys who aren't very fit. This means they are unable to concentrate for longer periods of time. This, in turn, results in them being unable to bowl sustained good spells. Ishant Sharma struggles to bowl an entire spell of 4-5 overs where he would consistently pitch it, at a good length, marginally outside off stump. Sooner or later, he gives a hit-me ball, and he is currently our best faster bowling bet. Ashwin, who got celebrated as the fastest Indian bowler to 50 wickets, is not going to get many more if he continues bowling in this manner. His fixation with the carrom ball, as it did with Bhajji and doosra, has meant that he bowls in line with the off stump. This takes out his off spinner out of the equation and makes him pretty ineffective as a bowler. Thankfully, if he continues to bat the way he does, he might end up like a Ravi Shastri and might even get to open the innings

In short, this Indian team needs to find purpose and energy. They need to find the personnel who wants India to win, both at home as well as away. We need a captain who isn't going to be dependent on favourable conditions to win a match. We need a board which will have Indian cricket, and not revenue, as its primary focus. And, can we have an Indian coach who will show some emotion at least when the team is humiliated?
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Old 19th December 2012, 10:38   #195
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my angle is that it would always be tough to replace the outstanding contributions of the likes of Kumble, Laxman, Dravid, Ganguly and soon Tendulkar. and India were always likely to have a period in the doldrums. Dont think the IPL helps - young men can get fame and fortune early in their careers , withouh having to work hard at their game - getting good at test cricket must seem too much like hard work to most of them, and you can understand why!
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So, who goes from this Indian side? Taking this as the side that played most of the time in this series

Gambhir ??
Sehwag ?
Pujara
Tendulkar
Kohli
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Ashwin ?
Zaheer
Sharma
Ojha

Is it reasonable to assume a side in the near future of:

Mukund
Sehwag/Gambhir
Pujara
Rahane
Kohli
Rohit
Dhoni
Ashwin/third seamer/(another spinner if there is one?)
Sharma
Yadav
Ojha

The difficulty is that this team would be very inexperienced and you'd probably want a few old heads in the side. Sadly, the likes of Sehwag, Gambhir and Dhoni have shown poor attitudes when in the field or batting in this series and aren't exactly role-models in the same way Rahul, SRT and VVS have been.

Dhoni had some success with a younger Indian side in the first T20 WC, so I'd be tempted to give him another shot at leading a younger test/ODI side for a while, whilst grooming Kohli or one of the other youngsters (sounds dodgy) to replace him later on. I think he needs a coaching system around him that will (be allowed to) have greater direction over the team selection and tactics.

However, the sad reality for India is that currently they haven't produced enough test class players through their system in the past 5 years to replace the old guard. Everyone knew that SRT, Dravid, VVS, Zaheer and Kumble would be hard to replace but few have been able or allowed to do so successfully. Even more worrisome is the deep decline in Viru and Gambhir at test level, which increases the demand to completely overhaul the side.
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It's the fault of the previous selection panel more than anything that there are no backups or replacements that are ready, see England, you made a mistake with Morgan then corrected it. Yuvi has played 40 tests and Raina 17 ffs. Rohit, Rahane and Tiwary, none at all. Srikkanth had a **** easy job for years of picking 9 certain players so he dicked around with the other 2 picking from ODIs, IPL etc. Fletcher can still **** off no matter all his defenders in the press in england, there's hands off and there's not watching a single Ranji game in 2 years while you have a seat in the selection meeting.

Think Yadav is our best bowling bet ahead of Ishant btw, he can actually field a little too.
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Even in Indian domestic cricket, we see the dust bowls similar or even worse than those we saw in the recently concluded test series. Batsmen bred on such pitches tend to do well when the ball isn't coming too fast or bouncing too much. That is one reason why the Indian batsmen find it difficult when they are drafted into the test team, facing international quality bowlers who are more skillful and are quicker, bouncier, and would swing the ball probably more.

This phenomenon also makes certain Indian pacers look better than they actually are. With the domestic batsmen not facing quality pace bowling much, even an average pacer is made to look a lot more dangerous than he is. We have seen quite a few Indian pacers, who've done well in the domestic circuit, being found out at the international level. Suddenly, they have to bowl longer spells, need more variety, and are bowling to a lot better batsmen of quicker bowling than they have ever bowled to.

As a selector, one should not probably look at a bowler in isolation but also against their performance against the better batting sides in the domestic circuit. If a bowler has done well against a good batting side and also has ran through the mediocre ones, then such a bowler should be encouraged. Also, once a bowler is selected, the selectors should probably give a brief to the captain on what exactly is expected. To have pacers like Dinda and Awana in the team but sitting in sidelines while India fielded a 4-spin attack was rather ridiculous, especially when Ashwin has been ineffective throughout the series and Jadeja is not known to spin the ball (and him getting those wickets don't change the fact that he can't turn the ball).
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Even in Indian domestic cricket, we see the dust bowls similar or even worse than those we saw in the recently concluded test series. Batsmen bred on such pitches tend to do well when the ball isn't coming too fast or bouncing too much. That is one reason why the Indian batsmen find it difficult when they are drafted into the test team, facing international quality bowlers who are more skillful and are quicker, bouncier, and would swing the ball probably more.

This phenomenon also makes certain Indian pacers look better than they actually are. With the domestic batsmen not facing quality pace bowling much, even an average pacer is made to look a lot more dangerous than he is. We have seen quite a few Indian pacers, who've done well in the domestic circuit, being found out at the international level. Suddenly, they have to bowl longer spells, need more variety, and are bowling to a lot better batsmen of quicker bowling than they have ever bowled to.

As a selector, one should not probably look at a bowler in isolation but also against their performance against the better batting sides in the domestic circuit. If a bowler has done well against a good batting side and also has ran through the mediocre ones, then such a bowler should be encouraged. Also, once a bowler is selected, the selectors should probably give a brief to the captain on what exactly is expected. To have pacers like Dinda and Awana in the team but sitting in sidelines while India fielded a 4-spin attack was rather ridiculous, especially when Ashwin has been ineffective throughout the series and Jadeja is not known to spin the ball (and him getting those wickets don't change the fact that he can't turn the ball).

I think a bigger problem for Indian pace bowlers is not necessarily talent, but the fact that they seem to lack the conditioning to last for a long time. We have seen a number of bowlers the RP's, the Sreesanth's the Munaf's and even the Ishant's come into test cricket with a good degree of pace but a couple of years later look seriously slower and out of shape. I realise that in some cases the problem might be diet but this is something that should be addressed in the modern age. I also heard that one previous coach, Prasad was fired for giving advice, such as changing wrist position and advising bowlers to bowl within themselves more had caused the likes of Ishant damage.

As for batsmen, India isn't going to develop more complete batsmen as a matter of course if it prepares tracks in domestic cricket that are dead for quick bowlers, nor is it going to help develop quick bowlers. So the two things are rather connected. It is not about necessarily producing green tops, but developing surfaces with a bit more pace and bounce that offer a bit of balance.
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Even in Indian domestic cricket, we see the dust bowls similar or even worse than those we saw in the recently concluded test series. Batsmen bred on such pitches tend to do well when the ball isn't coming too fast or bouncing too much. That is one reason why the Indian batsmen find it difficult when they are drafted into the test team, facing international quality bowlers who are more skillful and are quicker, bouncier, and would swing the ball probably more.

This phenomenon also makes certain Indian pacers look better than they actually are. With the domestic batsmen not facing quality pace bowling much, even an average pacer is made to look a lot more dangerous than he is. We have seen quite a few Indian pacers, who've done well in the domestic circuit, being found out at the international level. Suddenly, they have to bowl longer spells, need more variety, and are bowling to a lot better batsmen of quicker bowling than they have ever bowled to.

As a selector, one should not probably look at a bowler in isolation but also against their performance against the better batting sides in the domestic circuit. If a bowler has done well against a good batting side and also has ran through the mediocre ones, then such a bowler should be encouraged. Also, once a bowler is selected, the selectors should probably give a brief to the captain on what exactly is expected. To have pacers like Dinda and Awana in the team but sitting in sidelines while India fielded a 4-spin attack was rather ridiculous, especially when Ashwin has been ineffective throughout the series and Jadeja is not known to spin the ball (and him getting those wickets don't change the fact that he can't turn the ball).
Interesting post in lots of ways. My view of the Indian selection for the final test is that the really odd pick was Chawla. I entirely agree with your arguments against both Jadeja and Ashwin but Jadeja came in as an all rounder, replacing a batsman and Ashwin was one of India's most effective batsmen in the first three tests so I think stayed in partly for that reason (and especially with the batting being weakened by bringing in an all rounder for a batsman). Given those two picks though, I can't begin to work out why Chawla got the gig. He's been pretty much rubbish in both international and domestic cricket and was hardly going to be worth including in a side that already had 3 spinners without him. Surely Zaheer should have been replaced with a pace bowler. Of course, the Indian selectors were banking on the pitch turning far, far more than it did but in that case, there would still not have been much utility in 4 spinners when 3 can easily bowl a whole day's worth of overs between them if needed, whereas a second fast bowler is at least likely to be useful with the new ball and if there ends up being more variable bounce than turn.
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