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Old 6th September 2018, 13:26   #121
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What on Earth has this got to do with Jonny Bairstow?
It was a digression, Kenyatta. Welcome, by the way. You'll see many other examples during your time on here!

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He's from Yorkshire. So, we are led to believe, is the keyboard warrior who posts under the name D/L.
Such epithets are often chosen by those who most fit the description.
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Old 6th September 2018, 14:21   #122
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Jonny Bairstow, back to full fitness at the Oval, will be back behind the stumps as his preference would require.

I think I have come full-circle on this, because I wanted him to take more responsibility as a batsman, given the upper order fragility. If he is able to manage both roles, that is to be welcomed for me right now.
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Old 6th September 2018, 14:40   #123
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Time for your next holiday. Or afternoon medicines. Both, preferably.
For consistency (as I accused D/L of being rude to you), I should point out that that is insulting, whether deserved or not .
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Old 6th September 2018, 14:58   #124
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For consistency (as I accused D/L of being rude to you), I should point out that that is insulting, whether deserved or not .
Yes, as a doctor Luke should know better than to insult those on medication by making that comparison but let us please try and stick to the subject, which is Adil Rashid.

If people feel the need to go off on tangents on this thread keep it to Alfred Mynn anecdotes.

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Old 6th September 2018, 14:59   #125
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Jonny Bairstow, back to full fitness at the Oval, will be back behind the stumps as his preference would require.

I think I have come full-circle on this, because I wanted him to take more responsibility as a batsman, given the upper order fragility. If he is able to manage both roles, that is to be welcomed for me right now.
I'm not convinced he's a good enough batsman to bat higher up. If you're reading Johnny, go prove me wrong.
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Old 6th September 2018, 15:15   #126
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Unfortunately his strop appears to have worked. It's a shame, I try to persuade my children that sulking and tantrums don't get them what they want.
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Old 6th September 2018, 15:32   #127
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For consistency (as I accused D/L of being rude to you), I should point out that that is insulting, whether deserved or not .
Thanks for that but perhaps, in future, unless acquainted with the "back story", it would be better simply to say nothing.

Saying nothing to our unfortunate correspondent, rather than dignifying his often vile comments with a reply, has much to recommend it as well.
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Old 6th September 2018, 15:33   #128
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Jonny Bairstow, back to full fitness at the Oval, will be back behind the stumps as his preference would require.

I think I have come full-circle on this, because I wanted him to take more responsibility as a batsman, given the upper order fragility. If he is able to manage both roles, that is to be welcomed for me right now.
Glad about this. I think Bairstow is now marginally the better keeper.
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Old 6th September 2018, 15:36   #129
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Yes, as a doctor Luke should know better than to ...
He's a doctor?

Have academic and professional standards really dropped that far?
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Old 6th September 2018, 17:02   #130
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I’m afraid so.

Cheap shot but better than your recent “I know you are,but what am I?”
shctick.

Anyway back to JB. So is he going to bat at 5 at the oval? Buttler back to 6?
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Old 6th September 2018, 17:09   #131
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Iím afraid so.

Cheap shot but better than your recent ďI know you are,but what am I?Ē
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Anyway back to JB. So is he going to bat at 5 at the oval? Buttler back to 6?
JB should be grateful that his injury has only prevented him keeping wicket for a game. Mynn's leg injury, sustained in 1836 and seeing him returned home on top of a stagecoach (as Rob mentions above) led to a 2 year convalescence, with Mynn only just avoiding having the leg amputated.
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Old 6th September 2018, 17:38   #132
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Anyway back to JB. So is he going to bat at 5 at the oval? Buttler back to 6?
Stokes at 6, Buttler at 7 I would think.
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Old 6th September 2018, 17:38   #133
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Glad about this. I think Bairstow is now marginally the better keeper.
Pity, still think having a specialist batsman at 7 is a waste of resources.
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Old 6th September 2018, 18:09   #134
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Pity, still think having a specialist batsman at 7 is a waste of resources.
What difference does it really make?
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Old 6th September 2018, 19:57   #135
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Any road up, back to the '05 Ashes; it's always great to win an Ashes series and I was as happy as anyone about that victory. I just don't get carried away with the notion that good fortune didn't play some part in it, though.
Well, that's kinda my point. Fortune almost always plays a part. A week or so ago I posted a piece running through England's post-war Ashes successes and noted that all could be said to have been assisted by fortune in some way.
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Old 6th September 2018, 21:51   #136
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Glad about this. I think Bairstow is now marginally the better keeper.
I would agree. Perhaps even by a reasonably decent margin to my eyes - I remember a couple of the edges that were certainly not keeping errors but I thought Bairstow might well have stopped or potentially even caught most of them.

I can also see the argument that Buttlerís temparament may be better. I donít buy the idea that Bairstow has had a strop per se in that he deliberately played recklessly but I do think not keeping adds more confidence/ feeling of responsibility to him. Buttler seems to be happy whatever, and although his more composed nature behind the stumps might help occasionally I think maximising the run making potential of the two combined is more important.
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Old 7th September 2018, 00:19   #137
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Before DRS, that any LBW was "plumb", i.e. there being less than 1% chance that the ball would not have hit the wickets, can only be opinion. That the glove was not in contact with the bat is fact. This is the essential difference between the claims as to which team had the greater good fortune.
I dealt with this in detail in my post, unsurprisingly as you are essentially blandly restating of an already debunked position but perhaps this was difficult for you to notice because my post went on beyond the single sentence you left behind when you quoted it.

There's a whole complex discussion about what plumb is and how effectively DRS defines it but your definition is rather tendentious.

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Typically, your argument seems to conveniently ignore factors which may discredit it, i.e. the potential effect on the outcome (unknown, of course) of all the other close LBW calls in that match or over the entire series.
Typically you accuse others of faults they don't display, but you do. My post very much included an appreciation of the fact that the entire discussion is speculative. I specifically commented on how silly it was that you were trying to claim that elements of your opinion were of more validity because they had slightly different factual underpinning, while ignoring the broader context that the very nature of the debate made it one where all that could really ever be admitted was opinion. Obviously it's completely reasonable to have differing opinions on the matter of how lucky England got in the 2005 Ashes but what's not fine is you pretending your opinion is superior and coming up with specious reasons why it is.

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A separate topic but perhaps something you felt you had to introduce as a distraction from what you may realise is the weakness of your argument re the Kasprowicz incident. It is a tactic you often employ.
Just pointing out your form, DL.
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Or perhaps instead I should have gone with:

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...insists once again on being put on ignore...
I know, I know, it's the obvious choice but there's so much inadvertent comedy to be had.
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Jonny Bairstow, back to full fitness at the Oval, will be back behind the stumps as his preference would require.


Hurray!
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Old 7th September 2018, 09:28   #140
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Typically you accuse others of faults they don't display, but you do. My post very much included an appreciation of the fact that the entire discussion is speculative. I specifically commented on how silly it was that you were trying to claim that elements of your opinion were of more validity because they had slightly different factual underpinning, while ignoring the broader context that the very nature of the debate made it one where all that could really ever be admitted was opinion. Obviously it's completely reasonable to have differing opinions on the matter of how lucky England got in the 2005 Ashes but what's not fine is you pretending your opinion is superior and coming up with specious reasons why it is.
I watched the Kasprowicz wicket again yesterday. Especially given the events of last Sunday, I still think it might be hard for the 3rd umpire to overturn the onfield decision anyway. Who's to say it didn't brush glove/bat on the way to hitting the other glove? And with so much external noise being created by Kasper's movements ( a key to Kohli being not out last week), how do you know which one is ball hitting glove not on bat?
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