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Old 2nd July 2018, 13:07   #1741
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The Lions are 151-2 off 30 overs in the tri-series final against India A. Hain and Livingstone both have unbeaten fifties.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 13:39   #1742
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Livingstone out for 83 but Hain continues on his merry way, currently 92 not out.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 13:43   #1743
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Livingstone out for 83 but Hain continues on his merry way, currently 92 not out.
Well, if they lose this match, Hain's less than a run a ball innings will come under scrutiny.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 15:30   #1744
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The Lions have made a right mess of the last 15 overs. 264-9.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 16:55   #1745
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Well, if they lose this match, Hain's less than a run a ball innings will come under scrutiny.
Isnít the notion that he is a latter day Bell in terms of limited overs style being likely to rule him out of selectorial thinking?
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Old 2nd July 2018, 19:01   #1746
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Isnít the notion that he is a latter day Bell in terms of limited overs style being likely to rule him out of selectorial thinking?
I would suggest more a latter day Trott, in that he at least has a habit of batting through the innings, for better or worse.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 19:04   #1747
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He has a strike rate of 88. What are you guys on about?

Also, pretty decent win- Pant finally came good after a rather disappointing series so far.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 20:25   #1748
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He has a strike rate of 88. What are you guys on about?

Also, pretty decent win- Pant finally came good after a rather disappointing series so far.
Not sure that's good enough these days, given that scoring at a run a ball is now normal. I think you can accommodate one accumulator in a side, an England have a better option already in Joe Root, not sure you can manage two. Hain also seems to lack gears as well, a la Trott and Bell, whereas at least Root can score quicker if he wants to.

It could well be that he has the talent to improve his s/r and perhaps a spell in the England set-up, away from the negative influences at Egblaston of those yester-year England ODI "greats", would do him the world of good.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 20:59   #1749
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I'm sure you've actually watched him play and I'm mostly giving my opinion on a set of (rather impressive!) numbers and therefore are pro'lly right but I'm still not convinced. Root, for one, has a List A strike rate of 85 (ODI SR of 86).

In my head, anything above 81-82 is acceptable even now. Williamson scores at 83 and I haven't heard anyone say he is inadequate for current day ODIs. And that is in addition to Ross who himself has a similar strike rate.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 21:26   #1750
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A s/r of 88 is in line with Root and Morgan. Admittedly, it’s way below the likes of Bairstow, Buttler and Roy.

I don’t think England can ignore his performances though. They’ll have to give Root a rest at some stage. I think it would be good to get him in the squad at that point.

I wonder whether, along with the likes of Clarke/Pope/Lawrence, he might be thought of as a possible middle order test player.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 21:50   #1751
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I'm sure you've actually watched him play and I'm mostly giving my opinion on a set of (rather impressive!) numbers and therefore are pro'lly right but I'm still not convinced. Root, for one, has a List A strike rate of 85 (ODI SR of 86).

In my head, anything above 81-82 is acceptable even now. Williamson scores at 83 and I haven't heard anyone say he is inadequate for current day ODIs. And that is in addition to Ross who himself has a similar strike rate.
I'll admit to only having seen him play a little on TV, and when he was in poorer form than now. As I said, it may be he has the talent to really excel if called up and that we shouldn't read too much into his domestic s/r.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 22:03   #1752
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As a Warwickshire member, when Hain originally came through he was seen as a red ball player in the mould of Trott.

But since 2016, he has come on alot in the shorter formats with his red ball form suffering as a result.

He deserves a shot in the England ODI set-up instead of Billings, but should be no-where near the test side at the moment.
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Old 4th July 2018, 17:05   #1753
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I'm sure you've actually watched him play and I'm mostly giving my opinion on a set of (rather impressive!) numbers and therefore are pro'lly right but I'm still not convinced. Root, for one, has a List A strike rate of 85 (ODI SR of 86).

In my head, anything above 81-82 is acceptable even now. Williamson scores at 83 and I haven't heard anyone say he is inadequate for current day ODIs. And that is in addition to Ross who himself has a similar strike rate.
Williamson certainly wouldn't get anywhere near the England ODI side, but can we have him for tests?

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A s/r of 88 is in line with Root and Morgan. Admittedly, itís way below the likes of Bairstow, Buttler and Roy.
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This. I see him as a test not limited overs candidate.

BTW Lawrence has been dropped by Essex. Only a temporary setback, but he's been short of form this year.
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Williamson certainly wouldn't get anywhere near the England ODI side
Even though he's better than Root?
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Even though he's better than Root?
Not sure about that, Root has a superior record in all 3 forms. Tbh I always think there is room for a pure batsman in ODIs so would be happy to have either of them in the team. Perhaps not both though.
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One of them wins matches and scores hundreds. Root doesn't do that any more.
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One of them wins matches and scores hundreds. Root doesn't do that any more.
Over the last two years Root's got a higher average and a higher strike-rate.

I'm all for improving the England team where we can but Williamson would be a step backwards.
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That's all about numbers. Root's played mainly on flat English wickets where 350 is only a good start. Williamson has been playing mainly elsewhere. You can have Root, I'd take Williamson over him right now.
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That's all about numbers. Root's played mainly on flat English wickets where 350 is only a good start. Williamson has been playing mainly elsewhere. You can have Root, I'd take Williamson over him right now.
ok, let's look at their records in NZ over the last 2 years:

Player A 47.72 at 78.73
Player B 56.25 at 88.93

Or their records excluding English pitches:

Player A 43.71 at 81.87
Player B 59.38 at 89.41

I'd rather Buttler anyway.
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I'd rather Buttler anyway.
Me, too.
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