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Old 20th May 2015, 15:39   #21
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I HATE the saying that international cricket gives domestic teams a handout. Can someone explain what would happen to the international team of domestic cricket did not exist? Oh yes. It would be crap. The domestic teams benefit from international money but the international side can only exist because the domestic teams provide players.

It is NOT the relationship many like to suggest. It is far more symbiotic.
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Old 20th May 2015, 17:16   #22
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During the last WC, there were relentless comments about how the games were being played in a T20 fashion, with the big achievers in the tournament being T20 specialists who has gained plentiful experience in the IPL/Big Bash. In which case, why even bother with a domestic 50 over tournament in England, seeing as there's only me and about 43 other people who actually like the thing? Scrap it and create more room for T20, more income from T20 (rather than a money-leaking 50 overs job), and the Championship can be left alone.
It would be a real shame to see the 50 over competition abolished. At the minute I think it's the competition counties care the least about but that's down to the current format as much as anything.

I wouldn't mind seeing a league bought back in as this would mean more games remain competitive and more teams have an interest.

Another option would be to 8 groups of four teams. The top two qualify for the quarter finals and from its straight knock out cricket.

On a wider point, I like our county season how it is now. I enjoy all three forms of cricket and it would be a shame if one of them was sacrificed just so more money could be made from a T20 franchise system.
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Old 20th May 2015, 17:20   #23
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Virgs we are on same side of the argument, I think it is a healthy relationship they should support each other for the betterment of the game as a whole.
What is the alternative - the rugby model?
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Old 20th May 2015, 19:12   #24
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I HATE the saying that international cricket gives domestic teams a handout. Can someone explain what would happen to the international team of domestic cricket did not exist? Oh yes. It would be crap. The domestic teams benefit from international money but the international side can only exist because the domestic teams provide players.

It is NOT the relationship many like to suggest. It is far more symbiotic.
Domestic cricket could survive without international cricket but I don't think international cricket could survive (or at least thrive) without domestic cricket.
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Old 20th May 2015, 19:40   #25
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For what it's worth I think they got the 50 over competition right last year, and there were scores being made like those at the World Cup. They were playing in good weather conditions in a short, sharp competition where skills could be concentrated on. The problem is, I don't think many England players were involved, and they seemed to ignore the players who played well in the tournament. People may not have gone to watch it, but people just don't watch county cricket.
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Old 20th May 2015, 20:58   #26
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Domestic cricket could survive without international cricket but I don't think international cricket could survive (or at least thrive) without domestic cricket.
International cricket needs domestic cricket but that doesn't mean it needs the existence of every domestic side.
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Old 20th May 2015, 21:46   #27
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International cricket needs domestic cricket but that doesn't mean it needs the existence of every domestic side.
Merge Surrey and Middlesex as they don't seem capable of both being in top division.

Kent and Essex are pals so they can merge and maybe attempt to get into div one.

Derbyshire, northants and leics to take on the East mids powerhouse of notts

Glamorgan and Gloucester to make them competitive

Somerset are already devon and Cornwall so they stay. Worcs have the best ground outside Taunton so they stay.

Sussex is too far from anywhere else so stay.

Durham warks and yorks keep status by being recent champs

Lancs are scrapped and jos goes back to somerset.

Hampshire are scrapped as punishment for building a ground in the middle of nowhere.

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Old 20th May 2015, 22:27   #28
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Merge Surrey and Middlesex as they don't seem capable of both being in top division.

Kent and Essex are pals so they can merge and maybe attempt to get into div one.

Derbyshire, northants and leics to take on the East mids powerhouse of notts

Glamorgan and Gloucester to make them competitive

Somerset are already devon and Cornwall so they stay. Worcs have the best ground outside Taunton so they stay.

Sussex is too far from anywhere else so stay.

Durham warks and yorks keep status by being recent champs

Lancs are scrapped and jos goes back to somerset.

Hampshire are scrapped as punishment for building a ground in the middle of nowhere.

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Old 20th May 2015, 22:39   #29
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Merge Surrey and Middlesex as they don't seem capable of both being in top division.

Kent and Essex are pals so they can merge and maybe attempt to get into div one.

Derbyshire, northants and leics to take on the East mids powerhouse of notts

Glamorgan and Gloucester to make them competitive

Somerset are already devon and Cornwall so they stay. Worcs have the best ground outside Taunton so they stay.

Sussex is too far from anywhere else so stay.

Durham warks and yorks keep status by being recent champs

Lancs are scrapped and jos goes back to somerset.

Hampshire are scrapped as punishment for building a ground in the middle of nowhere.

Sorted.
No need for mergers - simply scrap any county that hasn't won the Championship at least three times.
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Old 20th May 2015, 22:51   #30
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No need for mergers - simply scrap any county that hasn't won the Championship at least three times.
That is flawed. Mine was based on sensible analysis
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Old 20th May 2015, 22:58   #31
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That is flawed. Mine was based on sensible analysis
I think, between us, we've demonstrated the inevitable Nimbyism of the exercise!
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Old 20th May 2015, 23:27   #32
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turn the mascot derby into a royal rumble, no holds barred, with the first eight out losing county status.
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Old 21st May 2015, 09:53   #33
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With the English cricket competitions, I get the feeling that the 50 overs thing is almost nobody's favourite. It's like that scene in Auf Wiedersehen Pet when they're voting on a colour for the hut decor and and up with yellow - "Who voted for yellow?" "Nobody, but it's everyone's second preference". Last year, I found myself in a sizeable camp of CC fans who went along to the Royal London because it's a full day's cricket...but we'd all much prefer to be watching the red ball game. Similarly, I identified a decent smattering of T20 fans who were there to catch some limited overs thrills and spills, but would have rather it over was the shorter format.

It's certainly not a lucrative competition, in the way the old Gillette and B&H once were. Because Warks were desperate to fill some seats for their semi final with Kent, they allowed members of both counties in for free and charged everyone else a tenner. Kent's share of the meagre gate income was so small, they barely covered their expenses for the day.

The only rationale for retaining a non-T20 limited overs competition has to that it unequivocally helps to prepare the national side for its ODI commitments. Most of the chatter from WC2015, however, seemed to suggest that England are still entrenched in a mid-90s mindset and that, in fact, it's T20 which is better equipping cricketers to excel over 50 overs. I believe this point needs to be thoroughly considered, because if the 50 overs competition is failing in its preparatory duties, attracting nobody and is a financial flop, then why on earth should we be contemplating reducing the Championship rather than doing the truly radical thing and admitting that old-school domestic one-dayers are redundant?
This definetly sums it up.

I really don't see what purpose one day cricket serves worldwide really.
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Old 21st May 2015, 10:16   #34
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This definetly sums it up.

I really don't see what purpose one day cricket serves worldwide really.
Full day of advertising revenue in India. Remember their initial reason for rejecting t20 was because too short. They got round this by scrapping the 75 mins for an innings rule and introducing the important strategic time outs. An ipl match can easily take four hours now when it was originally designed to take just over 2.5 hrs.
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Full day of advertising revenue in India. Remember their initial reason for rejecting t20 was because too short. They got round this by scrapping the 75 mins for an innings rule and introducing the important strategic time outs. An ipl match can easily take four hours now when it was originally designed to take just over 2.5 hrs.
You have to love the "strategic" time outs just after a wicket has fallen so a batsman coming in can be reminded what he's supposed to do.
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No mention yet of free beer and pies at county matches, I see.
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No mention yet of free beer and pies at county matches, I see.
I'm down for a free pint of Spitfire at Canterbury, if I ever remember to take the voucher with me.
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One cricketer's, well supported, reaction:

https://twitter.com/Kegs10/status/600752805096259585
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One cricketer's, well supported, reaction:

https://twitter.com/Kegs10/status/600752805096259585
Yes, but Alex Hales and Dean Headley don't agree
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Old 27th May 2015, 13:00   #40
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Merge Surrey and Middlesex as they don't seem capable of both being in top division.

Kent and Essex are pals so they can merge and maybe attempt to get into div one.

Derbyshire, northants and leics to take on the East mids powerhouse of notts

Glamorgan and Gloucester to make them competitive

Somerset are already devon and Cornwall so they stay. Worcs have the best ground outside Taunton so they stay.

Sussex is too far from anywhere else so stay.

Durham warks and yorks keep status by being recent champs

Lancs are scrapped and jos goes back to somerset.

Hampshire are scrapped as punishment for building a ground in the middle of nowhere.

Sorted.
Or just lose Somerset and keep Surrey, Yorkshire, Sussex, Warwickshire, Notts, Durham, Lancashire as the last seven county championship winners over the past sixteen years.
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