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Old 14th February 2017, 19:00   #1081
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Has the phrase 'thin end of the wedge' been used yet re: the introduction of an 8 team, city based franchise system?

If not, then reading this article might lead one to utter it...as it did with me!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-c...y/1082417.html

Is it the first step to cull the number of first class counties to 8?

To be honest, I'm starting to hope the franchise games are a huge failure, and those who unwisely invest in them lose their shirts over it...
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Old 14th February 2017, 19:06   #1082
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Has the phrase 'thin end of the wedge' been used yet re: the introduction of an 8 team, city based franchise system?

If not, then reading this article might lead one to utter it...as it did with me!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-c...y/1082417.html

Is it the first step to cull the number of first class counties to 8?

To be honest, I'm starting to hope the franchise games are a huge failure, and those who unwisely invest in them lose their shirts over it...
Nah, its all about the money remember. Or the potential illusion of it.

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Old 15th February 2017, 11:04   #1083
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I had great difficulty making sense of that article. It's not clear where these hubs would be and how they would improve access.

Perhaps its another Dobell article like the one he wrote in 2015 making it sound as if Northants were about to go bust.
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Old 15th February 2017, 13:27   #1084
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This is much clearer
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/...y/1082551.html
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Old 15th February 2017, 14:05   #1085
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This article also repays reading:

http://www.thefulltoss.com/england-c...#comment-46429
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Old 15th February 2017, 14:08   #1086
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Thanks, I am the author of this article!

Waiting for the inevitable Luddites and against change / innovation comments.....
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Old 15th February 2017, 15:37   #1087
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So a player needs to play franchise cricket before they can play international cricket?
A player would not need to play franchise cricket before they played international cricket, much like a player doesn't need to play division 1 or Lions cricket before they can play international cricket.

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Old 15th February 2017, 16:06   #1088
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No I haven't.

If some cats are black and white and cats are mammals this doesn't mean that all mammals are black and white.
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Every game needs to be televised to keep up the momentum, to build a narrative and you're not going to get that with 18 teams.
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Twice a week at consistent time slots for the duration of the competition plus highlights is fine.
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Old 15th February 2017, 18:05   #1089
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Thanks, I am the author of this article!

Waiting for the inevitable Luddites and against change / innovation comments.....
"The latest hair brained scheme is to launch a second T20 competition in addition to the Blast. Not even the BCCI have attempted such a gamble although they tried the Champions League which proved a catastrophic failure from a spectating point of view. City based franchises is apparently where its at, and the untapped market of those who have shown not an iota of interest in cricket in the past (not even in the rapidly beleaguered Twenty20 Cup / FPT20 / T20 Blast) is apparently going to fill the stadia in order to pay the handsome salaries on offer for the have bat will travel players."

Thought it was worth pointing out that the BCCI have been running the Syed Mushtaq Ali state based (and this year regional based) t20 tournament alongside the city based IPL tournament more or less since it began.
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Old 15th February 2017, 18:10   #1090
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"The latest hair brained scheme is to launch a second T20 competition in addition to the Blast. Not even the BCCI have attempted such a gamble although they tried the Champions League which proved a catastrophic failure from a spectating point of view. City based franchises is apparently where its at, and the untapped market of those who have shown not an iota of interest in cricket in the past (not even in the rapidly beleaguered Twenty20 Cup / FPT20 / T20 Blast) is apparently going to fill the stadia in order to pay the handsome salaries on offer for the have bat will travel players."

Thought it was worth pointing out that the BCCI have been running the Syed Mushtaq Ali state based (and this year regional based) t20 tournament alongside the city based IPL tournament more or less since it began.
Correct. I did have a look at this when writing the article and, from what i can see, the SMA Trophy and the IPL are not comparable to what the ECB are planning on doing with the Blast and the new comp.

It was difficult to gauge but i got the impression that the SMA Trophy is not the cash cow that the T20 Blast is. Happy to be proved wrong if that's not the case.
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Old 15th February 2017, 19:59   #1091
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Yes, every game needs to be televised.

Every game doesn't have to be televised on the same channel.

Where games aren't shown on that channel the narrative and momentum for the (for now) casual fan is maintained by a proper highlights programme - as it's being televised elsewhere and there are fewer grounds/teams to cover proper highlights footage will be available.

This is really not complicated.
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Old 15th February 2017, 20:01   #1092
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Correct. I did have a look at this when writing the article and, from what i can see, the SMA Trophy and the IPL are not comparable to what the ECB are planning on doing with the Blast and the new comp.
Why aren't they comparable?

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You might only be interested in money but I'm more interested in growing the game.
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Old 16th February 2017, 13:02   #1093
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Yes, every game needs to be televised.

Every game doesn't have to be televised on the same channel.

Where games aren't shown on that channel the narrative and momentum for the (for now) casual fan is maintained by a proper highlights programme - as it's being televised elsewhere and there are fewer grounds/teams to cover proper highlights footage will be available.

This is really not complicated.
I'm sure the casual fan will be happy to wait until the early hours of the morning for this highlights programme.

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You might only be interested in money but I'm more interested in growing the game.
You do know more people live in Lancashire than Manchester, more people live in Leeds than Yorkshire, more people live in Nottinghamshire and Nottingham. So how is this growing the game?

As for money, I was told there would be a 20 million windfall for the counties on this thread.
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Old 16th February 2017, 14:18   #1094
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I look at a clip like this (featuring Tim Lamb 35 years ahead of his time in the cricketer's beard fashion stakes)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH7N22TK-w8

...and I wonder how they managed to destroy all that enthusiasm for county cricket limited overs matches, which used to be the cash cow for the county game?

It can't be that people aren't prepared to spend a whole day at the cricket, as the endless summer ODI matches still prove immensely popular.

And I wonder if such destruction will in the coming years be wielded upon T20 Blast crowds.
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Old 16th February 2017, 14:32   #1095
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I look at a clip like this (featuring Tim Lamb 35 years ahead of his time in the cricketer's beard fashion stakes)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH7N22TK-w8

...and I wonder how they managed to destroy all that enthusiasm for county cricket limited overs matches, which used to be the cash cow for the county game?

It can't be that people aren't prepared to spend a whole day at the cricket, as the endless summer ODI matches still prove immensely popular.

And I wonder if such destruction will in the coming years be wielded upon T20 Blast crowds.
The cheer of the crowd which follows a well placed shot is so much nicer to hear than the generic pop songs blasted over the PA systems which follow a boundary nowdays.

I wish that the ECB was as keen to get RL matches on free TV. Could have the semi finals and final on throughout the day on consecutive Sundays.

Looking at the way they have treated the 50 over competition, it's difficult to come to a conclusion that it hasn't been purposely sabotaged in recent years, and the new schedule they have drawn up for it will probably finish it off completely.
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Old 16th February 2017, 17:25   #1096
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I look at a clip like this (featuring Tim Lamb 35 years ahead of his time in the cricketer's beard fashion stakes)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH7N22TK-w8

...and I wonder how they managed to destroy all that enthusiasm for county cricket limited overs matches, which used to be the cash cow for the county game?

It can't be that people aren't prepared to spend a whole day at the cricket, as the endless summer ODI matches still prove immensely popular.

And I wonder if such destruction will in the coming years be wielded upon T20 Blast crowds.
In 1994, my pal and I journeyed to Edgbaston for the Warks v Kent Nat West Trophy semi final. We'd bought advance tickets at 14 each and, just as well, because the place was absolutely heaving.

In 2014, I returned for the RLC semi between the same two sides. Free admission was offered not just to home members but to visiting Kent members as well. There were around 3000 people there.

How on earth could a match be sold out at 14 a throw and then, twenty years later, be almost impossible to give away?
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Old 16th February 2017, 17:48   #1097
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In 1994, my pal and I journeyed to Edgbaston for the Warks v Kent Nat West Trophy semi final. We'd bought advance tickets at 14 each and, just as well, because the place was absolutely heaving.

In 2014, I returned for the RLC semi between the same two sides. Free admission was offered not just to home members but to visiting Kent members as well. There were around 3000 people there.

How on earth could a match be sold out at 14 a throw and then, twenty years later, be almost impossible to give away?
One of the one day trophies was always shown on the BBC or latterly Channel 4 so I guess more people would have tuned in and kept an eye on it. Now I doubt 90% of the public could tell you what sport the Royal London Cup is in.
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Old 16th February 2017, 18:04   #1098
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You might only be interested in money but I'm more interested in growing the game.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/spor...g-1564234.html

Hardly anybody watching and players treating it as an audition for the IPL.
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Old 16th February 2017, 18:40   #1099
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The biggest issue facing domestic cricket in the UK is that it is entirely hidden behind a very steep paywall = detrimental to viewing figures and national reocgnition. When a sport loses national recognition, it obviously loses quality.
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I'm sure the casual fan will be happy to wait until the early hours of the morning for this highlights programme.
A casual fan would presumably be willing to wait for the highlights programme to be on in a convenient slot. Otherwise they don't sound very casual.

The highlights might even be repeated, like MotD is, not to mention available on iPlayer.

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You do know more people live in Lancashire than Manchester, more people live in Leeds than Yorkshire, more people live in Nottinghamshire and Nottingham. So how is this growing the game?
More people live in the North West than live in Lancashire, so should we just call it the North West?

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Not by me you weren't.
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