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Old 12th June 2018, 15:31   #18741
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To be honest I misread the original post as being those currently playing but it didn't. So why did Mullaney leave Lancs other than he wasn't playing?
Don't know but I doubt he took a paycut.
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Old 12th June 2018, 15:42   #18742
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To be honest I misread the original post as being those currently playing but it didn't. So why did Mullaney leave Lancs other than he wasn't playing?
I thought about that when Fred said he'd been cited as a future captain up there. As far as I was aware, he wasn't playing. But you don't get cited as a future captain unless you are playing I wouldn't have thought. So I've no idea why he left.
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Old 12th June 2018, 15:47   #18743
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Old 12th June 2018, 16:16   #18744
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Mullaney's statistics for Lancashire
Matches Runs Batting average Wickets Bowling average
First-class 4 257 64.25 1 84.00
LA 8 36 12.00 10 15.80
T20 3 5 5.00 1 21.00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Mullaney

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Old 12th June 2018, 18:57   #18745
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As far as I heard, Lancashire wanted to keep him. I agree he wasn't playing 1st XI and I can't remember who was keeping him out of 1sts but just because the 1st XI coach / captain / selection committee / whatever doesn't pick someone, doesn't mean that they don't want them to stay.

He left after discussions over his opportunities or lack of them, and you can't argue that he wasn't right to decide that Notts would offer him greater opportunities. But that doesn't mean to say that his home county didn't want him, or that he didn't make a hard decision - at that time - which has clearly worked out well for him. He wasn't exactly surplus to requirements just lost out at Lancs to a belief that "weight of (2nd team) runs" is the only thing that will get you into the first team (barring others' injuries etc). Hierarchies etc.

The captain remark was something else I picked up, but not from an unofficial source. But why not? That first Academy intake of Lancashire (12 players in 2002) has produced 8 first class cricketers (7 for counties, 1 as student, including 3 county captains with 4 still on the county circuit). They were highly thought of.

ETA: out of interest: his Lancs stats of 4 first class games include only one in the championship and a 165* against Durham students.
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Old 12th June 2018, 21:29   #18746
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See Root minor was finally in the team but batting at 8. They don't seem to like him.
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Old 12th June 2018, 21:33   #18747
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See Root minor was finally in the team but batting at 8. They don't seem to like him.
Took a sharp one hander apparently off the bowling of Carter. Perhaps, like Hick (for England) back in the day, we can keep him in the team for his fielding.
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Old 12th June 2018, 22:04   #18748
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As far as I heard, Lancashire wanted to keep him. I agree he wasn't playing 1st XI and I can't remember who was keeping him out of 1sts but just because the 1st XI coach / captain / selection committee / whatever doesn't pick someone, doesn't mean that they don't want them to stay.

He left after discussions over his opportunities or lack of them, and you can't argue that he wasn't right to decide that Notts would offer him greater opportunities. But that doesn't mean to say that his home county didn't want him, or that he didn't make a hard decision - at that time - which has clearly worked out well for him. He wasn't exactly surplus to requirements just lost out at Lancs to a belief that "weight of (2nd team) runs" is the only thing that will get you into the first team (barring others' injuries etc). Hierarchies etc.

The captain remark was something else I picked up, but not from an unofficial source. But why not? That first Academy intake of Lancashire (12 players in 2002) has produced 8 first class cricketers (7 for counties, 1 as student, including 3 county captains with 4 still on the county circuit). They were highly thought of.

ETA: out of interest: his Lancs stats of 4 first class games include only one in the championship and a 165* against Durham students.
Lancs seem to have a particularly poor record at giving opportunities to all-rounders with captaincy potential who go elsewhere to fulfil that potential. Obviously Mullaney is only a poor man's Ronnie Irani...

Who else was in that 2002 intake?
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Old 13th June 2018, 09:09   #18749
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See Root minor was finally in the team but batting at 8. They don't seem to like him.
Doesn't make any sense to me either. First-class batting average of 41. And in effect they dropped him from the team after he scored 132 in the final match of last season.
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Old 13th June 2018, 10:58   #18750
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Lancs seem to have a particularly poor record at giving opportunities to all-rounders with captaincy potential who go elsewhere to fulfil that potential. Obviously Mullaney is only a poor man's Ronnie Irani...

Who else was in that 2002 intake?
John Simpson (cf Mullaney)
Andrew Miller also left Lancs to progress his opportunities playing at Warwickshire and Sussex.
Chris Ashling ended up at Glamorgan although that may have due to choice of Uni.
Croft, Brown, Smith were all part of the 2011 championship winning side.
Nick Woods went to Oxford
Dan Berry and Warren Goodwin like Woods played for Cheshire.
Leaving John Daniels and Jack Kelliher

Parry, Tripathi and Clare joined the year after all to become first class cricketers (although only Parry with Lancs)
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Unfortunately for Notts, yesterday's top order capitulation wasn't a blip. In fact the good innings such as the 500 scored at Somerset in the second innings are the blips. Moores has to realise that this is a poor batting line up with too many living on past performances and reputations.

The likes of Wessels and Nash don't deserve their places, while we see young talent like Billy Root having to bat at seven (eight in the CC last weekend) despite showing guts when others failed - Sussex last September to gain promotion being a huge example.

Moores hasn't been helped by Ross Taylor only performing as well as many of the others instead of showing the way. The next 18 months has to see a change in Notts batting. True, replacing James Taylor, Brendan Taylor and Michael Lumb was always going to be a huge ask but they've got to show signs of moving in the right direction.

Wonder if Alex Hales will change his mind about playing red ball cricket? This white ball contract doesn't seem to be working and he'll be dropped completely by England sooner rather than later too.
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Old 15th June 2018, 10:28   #18752
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Unfortunately for Notts, yesterday's top order capitulation wasn't a blip. In fact the good innings such as the 500 scored at Somerset in the second innings are the blips. Moores has to realise that this is a poor batting line up with too many living on past performances and reputations.

The likes of Wessels and Nash don't deserve their places, while we see young talent like Billy Root having to bat at seven (eight in the CC last weekend) despite showing guts when others failed - Sussex last September to gain promotion being a huge example.

Moores hasn't been helped by Ross Taylor only performing as well as many of the others instead of showing the way. The next 18 months has to see a change in Notts batting. True, replacing James Taylor, Brendan Taylor and Michael Lumb was always going to be a huge ask but they've got to show signs of moving in the right direction.

Wonder if Alex Hales will change his mind about playing red ball cricket? This white ball contract doesn't seem to be working and he'll be dropped completely by England sooner rather than later too.
Ross Taylor was very ordinary for Sussex too. He's a strange one, I've never really worked out whether I rate him or not. Nash was always a good club man, so I don't think moving counties and the sudden expectation that comes with it really suited him, especially as he has been on the decline for a couple of years anyway. Sussex probably dodged a bullet with him leaving. I look at Billy Root and wonder how he isn't one of the first names on the sheet.
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Old 15th June 2018, 11:02   #18753
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Ross Taylor was very ordinary for Sussex too. He's a strange one, I've never really worked out whether I rate him or not. Nash was always a good club man, so I don't think moving counties and the sudden expectation that comes with it really suited him, especially as he has been on the decline for a couple of years anyway. Sussex probably dodged a bullet with him leaving. I look at Billy Root and wonder how he isn't one of the first names on the sheet.
Cheers Sharky, nice to get some views and opinions from other clubs.
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I look at Billy Root and wonder how he isn't one of the first names on the sheet.
It's just baffling.
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Old 23rd June 2018, 22:48   #18755
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Notts are very hard to predict this season. That was a fine win, but straight off the back of some thumping defeats in CC and 50 over cricket. However, it looks like Div 1 survival is a good shout now and that had to be the priority.

Injuries are taking their toll, as are England calls ups but we seem to be able to produce the bowling talent, if not the batting talent, to remain competitive. Milnes and Carter have been a real bonus but where is the batting talent?

Taylor has done ok, but not great. That said, I worry about the second half of the season if we don't replace him, the top order has been poor.

There have been plenty of positives this season though.

Fletcher has become so consistent and added some runs to his game. Moores is growing into the role of replacing the big man (and scoring some very useful runs) and the young bowlers have been excellent.
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Good to see that Libby has had a much better match. It will be interesting to watch how he does for the rest of the season.
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Good to see that Libby has had a much better match. It will be interesting to watch how he does for the rest of the season.
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So the unwillingness to really invest in the squad is starting to hit home. Top work Notts
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So the unwillingness to really invest in the squad is starting to hit home. Top work Notts
Didn't get there yesterday until the afternoon session as the little one had a game in the morning. The pitch was as green as the surrounding square. The blokes behind me commented that it had already lost a lot of its colour. It visibly got easier and easier as the afternoon wore on. Astonishing that we would prepare such a pitch to benefit the visitors.

Doesn't excuse rubbish batting mind.
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Didn't get so can't comment on the specifics but after going on Friday I can only see the season going one way!
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