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Old 11th May 2011, 17:40   #181
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And KP is dismissed by yet another left arm spinner!
Yeah, by a Surrey left arm spinner!
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Old 11th May 2011, 18:07   #182
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Yeah, by a Surrey left arm spinner!
I almost suggested that as a possibility but thought better of it!
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Old 12th May 2011, 15:00   #183
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The Uni take a first inning lead with a four wickets in hand. Not exactly the worlkd cup final I know, bit it might make KPs second innings a little more meaningful.
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Old 27th May 2011, 01:13   #184
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Dirk Nannes confirmed as second overseas player for the T20 competition following Shaun Tait's withdrawal:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-c...ry/516783.html
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Old 7th June 2011, 23:30   #185
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A twitter storm is brewing about this. Sounds brainless from Surrey to me.
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Old 7th June 2011, 23:45   #186
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A twitter storm is brewing about this. Sounds brainless from Surrey to me.
Not much different from having scantily clad dancing girls gyrating after each boundary though, is it?

And what about the NPower girls? And the girls who hand the trophies to the CEO or whoeveer to hand to the winners? Etc etc.

Not that I think this particular innovation is a good idea but it doesn't offend my feminist principles.
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Old 7th June 2011, 23:46   #187
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Do we have dancing men, scantily clad men and men who hand out trophies during women's matches? If not then we totally should.
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Old 8th June 2011, 02:42   #188
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Sounds brainless from Surrey to me.
The thing I find most worrying about this is that someone must have suggested it in some sort of brainstorming session, and everyone else said "great idea - let's do it!" Are people paid to come up with ideas like this?

Leaving aside any objections on the grounds of sexism, the club is presumably paying these ladies for their services, but will their appearance actually generate any additional matchday revenue? I doubt it. It all sounds so utterly pointless, as is the more low key presence of token dolly birds at trophy presentation ceremonies etc. And once they've accompanied the new batsman to the wicket, we'll then have to wait for them to walk all the way back to the boundary before play can resume.
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Old 8th June 2011, 07:25   #189
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It seems that the walk on girls are part of the darts "package", as this is where they originate from.

Personally I think all these ideas are ridiculous - just present the match as the entertainment, that's all that is required. As you say, Prince, surely none of this puts more people on the gate, and it all costs money.

By the sounds of things, they should be investing instead in more catering staff.
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Old 8th June 2011, 12:08   #190
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It seems that the walk on girls are part of the darts "package", as this is where they originate from.
You're probably right; if it was a SCCC innovation they'd be doing it against Glamorgan this Friday.

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Personally I think all these ideas are ridiculous - just present the match as the entertainment, that's all that is required. As you say, Prince, surely none of this puts more people on the gate, and it all costs money.
I can't remember who coined the phrase, but a few years back I recall someone describing T20 as "cricket for people who don't actually like cricket". I can come to terms with the condensed nature of the format resulting in frantic batting and enjoy the games for what they are, but all the other peripheral stuff, from blasts of recorded music to "powerplays" to "free hits" actually makes the whole thing less attractive to me personally.

I guess things like the Phil Taylor darts thing helps get publicity, makes the whole thing seem more mainstream to people who know little about cricket and might just stir up interest and boost the crowd numbers a bit.

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By the sounds of things, they should be investing instead in more catering staff.
I reckon they were probably caught out by a larger than expected crowd of just under 8,500, which was nearly twice the figure for the same fixture last year, which was also the first home game. Then again I also noticed that there seemed to be fewer stewards checking that people were entering the correct blocks/stands than in previous years with several areas completely closed off, so maybe they're just trying to cut corners and save a few pennies.

I found the attendance figures for last year, which may be of interest. Despite big fluctuations in the overall figures the number of Surrey members attending each match is amazingly consistent. Logically Middx, Essex and Kent ought to attract the largest numbers of away supporters, whilst you're not likely to get too many from Gloucs travelling on a Thursday night. (Last year's Kent fixture clashed with the England v Algeria World Cup match, which probably contributed towards the relatively low turnout, whereas the relatively high figure against Somerset occurred on a very hot sunny Friday evening.) The three biggest figures were for 6.30pm starts, with 5.30 starts not so well attended.

Gloucs: total attendance 4,429 (inc. 981 members)

Essex: 12,410 (991)

Kent: 6,274 (803)

Sussex: 7,256 (933)

Hants: 6,741 (944)

Somerset: 8,787 (998)

Glamorgan: 5,758 (975)

Middlesex: 15,668 (1,199)
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Old 8th June 2011, 12:20   #191
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I agree entirely about the peripheral stuff. Speaking as a huge music fan, I find the blasts of music horrible and also patronising to music lovers - based on the assumption, "well everyone likes such and such" - no, they don't.

Putting aside the general dislike, I did some research into the walk on girls . In its defence, the ones I saw actually present themselves in a very good-looking, non-provocative way - it's not like they wear hot pants or something. But as already mentioned, how is this going to work? In darts, they accompany the darts player to the oche, from where they can simply walk away (plus as it's only at the game start, the player will then do some practice throws anyway), while in this they are going to have to walk from the outfield every time a new batsmen comes in - potentially 20 times, including the openers.
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Surely Darts were just copying Boxing who had been doing this for years
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Old 8th June 2011, 14:23   #193
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But as already mentioned, how is this going to work? In darts, they accompany the darts player to the oche, from where they can simply walk away (plus as it's only at the game start, the player will then do some practice throws anyway), while in this they are going to have to walk from the outfield every time a new batsmen comes in - potentially 20 times, including the openers.
I suppose, logically they'll walk halfway to the wicket, then turn back so they return to the boundary as the batsman takes his guard? Weather permitting I should find out next Monday!

Right now I'm more annoyed about petty regulations preventing members from sitting with friends who've paid for a specific match, and a complex pricing structure that means you have to buy a month in advance to get a 15 ticket, but pay 25 on the gate for the same seat.

And while I'm having a moan there's the dreadful flourescent pale green playing shirts for this competition. It looks like a cycling shirt and clashes with the umpires' uniforms. Why couldn't we stick to the chocolate kit, used for just one season in 2009 and by far the best one day kit the club has ever had? I also have a theory that these excessively bright shirts make it easier for opposition batsmen to be aware of where all the fielders are stationed and pick out the gaps.
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Personally I think all these ideas are ridiculous - just present the match as the entertainment, that's all that is required. As you say, Prince, surely none of this puts more people on the gate, and it all costs money.
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Personally I think all these ideas are ridiculous - just present the match as the entertainment, that's all that is required. As you say, Prince, surely none of this puts more people on the gate, and it all costs money.
Heartily agree with this. I doubt anyone goes to T20 cricket because of dancing girls, music being played when the batsmen walk out or when a boundary is hit or player interviews which you can't hear properly at The Oval anyway. Equally I have never heard anyone complaining if any of these irrelevancies are missing.

It seems to me that a lot of the non cricket fans who go don't really notice what is going on after an hour or so anyway hence Mexican waves and beer glass towers.

One of the reasons attendances are falling at these matches are that these people have started to realise it is costing them a lot of money to see a game which doesn't really interest them.
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I wonder how many of these types of viewpoint have been expressed to the counties themselves?

Evidently there is a set of similar opinions among many cricket lovers about these things that the counties have just chosen to ignore, instead following received wisdom that things such as blaring music are "crowd-pullers".
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to give an alternative view, although the keener cricket lover doesnt really like all the peripheral stuff, they still go - the less keen cricket lover might actually enjoy the extra spectacle - young kids for example who get dragged along by their parents really like it and then learn to appreciate the cricket later (certainly the experience of my 4 kids) and also girlfriends/wives who tolerate being dragged along also do appreciate the attraction. All these peripheral distractions might therefore be considered a "necessary evil!"
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to give an alternative view, although the keener cricket lover doesnt really like all the peripheral stuff, they still go - the less keen cricket lover might actually enjoy the extra spectacle - young kids for example who get dragged along by their parents really like it and then learn to appreciate the cricket later (certainly the experience of my 4 kids) and also girlfriends/wives who tolerate being dragged along also do appreciate the attraction. All these peripheral distractions might therefore be considered a "necessary evil!"
I think you've probably hit the nail on the head. It's mainly the members that grumble about these gimmicks. Personally I pay my membership fee to see the four day games and go to the T20s because they're "free", but the whole point of T20 is to fill grounds with people who are oblivious to watching a four day game.

I guess the whole "razzamatazz" of the peripheral stuff probably helps attract greater media publicity and dispels the image some non-cricket fans may have of blokes in whites ambling around in front of a gathering of people behaving as if they're in a library. (Then again, having recently visited a local library and attempted to use a computer for a couple of hours for constructive purposes one afternoon during the school half term, the atmosphere was more like a T20 match on a Friday evening!)
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Surrey have apparently chucked the idea now.
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Well, another absolutely horrendous result for Surrey - arguably the worst of the season. It's going to take a lot to get promoted this season.
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