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Old 27th July 2007, 17:32   #61
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Old 4th August 2007, 16:00   #62
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Id like to see Sussex win the 20/20 but, as an Essex supporter, I know how deadly Kent can be!

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Old 21st August 2007, 00:23   #63
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The 2XI are doing very well at the moment and are currently top of 2XI championship. They also got to the Semi-Final of the one-day competition but lost to Middlesex because they had just three contracted players (Thornely, Liddle and Smith) whereas Middlesex had a full team which included Hutton, Nash and Johnson!

Eight uncontracted players have played seven or more games for 2XI this season and this is my assessment of their performance and potential:

Machan who Sharkey mentioned is an excellent prospect who already is in the Brighton College 1XI at the age of 16. He has the ability to hit a long ball. He has scored 500 runs @ 50 with 3 centuries in his first full season for Brighton and Hove. He has also scored 210 runs @ 28.75 for 2XI and scored runs in virtually every innings without yet going on to get the big score his talent suggests he will make with time. He will surely join the squad once he is old enough!

We also have the best wicketkeeper for his age group in England U19 keeper Ben Brown who like Machan is highly regarded by the county. It has been something of a stop start season for Brown although he has managed 287 runs @ 28.7 which included 87 against Durham 2XI as well as 331 runs @ 55 for Eastbourne. Like Machan he has the potential to join the full squad soon.

Ian Gould's son Michael and Steffan Piolet have also played for 2XI and are averaging a modest 22 and 25 and only 24.5 and 21 including SIX ducks in 15 innings in the Sussex League. I don't particularly rate either of these players and would surprised if they make the grade.

The Sussex squad includes four spinners (Mushtaq, Saqlain, Rayner and Smith). With Mushtaq likely to stay for another two seasons what was the point in signing Saqlain when we have two good young spinners on the staff already. There is also 18 year old Academy leg spinner Will Beer the current top uncontracted 2XI wicket taking bowler with 19 wickets @ 17 as well as 41 wickets @ 18 as captain of Horsham? Beer is another player I expect to join the Sussex squad within the next 2/3 years.

I don't particularly rate Vinter who has taken just 19 wickets in 18 matches for 2XI and has only really impressed in one match last season when he took 6-52 on a green seamers pitch at Wimbledon. He has recently lost his place in 2XI. If the Chairman's son Green is opening the bowling instead of him and for that matter Aga then I don't think either of them have a future at the county and that we should be looking outside the county for seamers.

By the way Sharkey Imran Arif is no longer in 2XI as he has been told by Robbo that they don't consider him to be good enough.

Watch out for Beer, Brown and especially Machan!

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Old 21st August 2007, 18:25   #64
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what happened to Sean Heather???
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Old 21st August 2007, 18:29   #65
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He was released at the start of the season I think maty.
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Old 21st August 2007, 19:24   #66
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what happened to Sean Heather???
He was relased last season. I think he is playing for Sussex based side Stirlands who aren't even in the Sussex Premier League for whom he has scored 679 runs @ 52 with 2 centuries and is 2nd top run scorer. The top run scorer is Dominic Clapp, another former Sussex batsmen, with 835 runs @ 56.

Releasing him was the correct decision as he was 25 with little prospect of breaking through into the 1XI before the age of 30. We have signed 19 year old batsmen Michael Thornely as his replacement and he has enjoyed a reasonable season for 2XI.

None of the players released last season find another county.
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The top run scorer is Dominic Clapp, another former Sussex batsmen, with 835 runs @ 56.
He played one game for Hampshire and spent a couple of years on the staff. Really don't understand why...
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Old 21st August 2007, 20:33   #68
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He played one game for Hampshire and spent a couple of years on the staff. Really don't understand why...
In 63 games for Sussex 2XI he managed only ONE hundred and averaged 25. He played just two games in total for Sussex and Hampshire and three one-day matches.

It is amazing looking back at how easy we gave out contracts to youngsters compared with now. In 2000 we offered contracts to four youngsters:

Clapp 434 runs @ 23 HS 84
Yardy 348 runs @ 19 HS 87 23 w @ 26.78 BB 5-76
Prior 23 runs @ 5.75 HS 12
Ambrose hadn't even played for 2XI

With the possible exception of Yardy none of them had really done anything for 2XI although Clapp was the oldest at 20.
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nice posts Sussex by the Sea. Do you go along to a lot of the Second XI games? I agree that we do have some very bright talent coming through, I have only seen the short highlights on the Sussex website of Machan playing one of the warm-up games pre-season but he looks a player and a half. I guess we were in such a big transitional period in 2000 compared to now that now we are in the fortunate position of only having to pick the very best players, and they all seem pretty good. As I live in Horsham it's nice to see Will Beer doing well and he's done a good job taking on the Horsham captaincy while Chris Nash is playing for Sussex. I was originally against Saqlain signing but Rayner seems to have learnt a lot already and Mushy can't go on for more than a year, maybe two after this season I would have thought. He, Smith and Beer will have their chance in time
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Sharky - According to the Birmingham post Mushtaq has been offered a two year contract with a further year as a coach and a benefit in 2010. If this is the case then it is hard to see the point in signing Saqlain. Rayner has learnt a lot from Saqlain however there is sure to come a time when his sheer prescence in the squad will be hindering Rayner's development.

I don't attend as many 2XI games as I used to as I have that awful thing called work!

The standard expected of youngsters in order to make the grade and so when I am dismissing the other players it is relatively speaking. 5-10 years ago they would probably all have been offered contracts by now.

I hope you are right about Rayner, Smith and Beer and that we don't lose one of them in the meantime through lack of first team opportunities.
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Do you know what kind of style Beer has? Quick & reliant on bounce rather than turn like a Kumble? Or is he more of a turner?
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Old 23rd August 2007, 21:01   #72
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Ben Brown is a promising wicketkeeper-batsman who plays for Sussex, including at the Academy. He is also in the England Under-19s, making his debut in their 2006- 07 tour of Malaysia series and featured also against Pakistan Under-19 the following summer. His first-class debut came against Sri Lanka A in the same season, when he scored 46 off 25 balls. He finished at Ardingly College this summer. Very highly rated, he plays his cricket at Eastbourne and scores runs for fun in that league. His glovework is very sharp, and has very good hands, getting himself into the right position to take the ball, too.
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Surely he will become a fully fledged Sussex player soon.
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Old 23rd August 2007, 23:27   #73
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In the local paper

Mushy poised to sign

Sussex insist there will be no coaching role in the new contract they hope to agree with Mushtaq Ahmed.

The county are confident the 37-year-old leg-spinner, who is out of contract at the end of the season, will stay at Hove but coach Mark Robinson confirmed it would be a playing deal only.

Warwickshire will be able to speak to Mushtaq on September 4, although Sussex expect to tie up a new agreement which would extend his Sussex career into a sixth season in the next few days.

Robinson said: "There are no dramas as far as Mushy is concerned. Hopefully everything will be sorted out soon - maybe tomorrow, maybe next week.

"He helps out our coaching staff all the time but that won't be part of any contract. There was some rubbish spouted by Warwickshire about Mushtaq getting a coaching role at the end of his playing career but that is not the case."
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Ben Brown is a promising wicketkeeper-batsman who plays for Sussex, including at the Academy. He is also in the England Under-19s, making his debut in their 2006- 07 tour of Malaysia series and featured also against Pakistan Under-19 the following summer. His first-class debut came against Sri Lanka A in the same season, when he scored 46 off 25 balls. He finished at Ardingly College this summer. Very highly rated, he plays his cricket at Eastbourne and scores runs for fun in that league. His glovework is very sharp, and has very good hands, getting himself into the right position to take the ball, too.
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Surely he will become a fully fledged Sussex player soon.
He looked good in the under 19s matches the other day. The only problem is that he appears to be ginger. Good news about Mushy
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Sussex 2XI won by an innings against Glamorgan 2XI and are now possibly just 2 games away from 2XI title. It looks as though it is between them and Somerset who they play in the final game of the season at Hove.

First year pro Michael Thornely top scoring with 164, his second century of the season he now needs just 91 from the last two matches to register 1,000 runs for the season. Rayner (128) also scored his maiden 2XI century. Opening batsmen Stef Piolet also scored 89.

Sussex then got to work with the ball with Rayner (7), Liddle (4), Beer (4), Aga (3), Green and Smith taking the wickets.
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It sounds like Prior is going to miss out on a central contract which I think is unlucky. Granted his keeping has to improve but since Alec Stewart retired England have been crying out for a batsmen who can average 40 in test cricket. They have been chopping and changing ever since now they have no found one in Prior what do they do but not offer him a central contract. I think it is disgusting. Either England want a keeper who can keep but who will average 20-25 (Read, Jones etc.) or they want a keeper who can bat. They can't have both as there is no one on the county cricket who can do both.

New contracts are likely to be awarded to Anderson, Bopara, Broad, Sidebottom and Tremlett.

Trescothick, Jones and Giles are unlikely to have their central contract deals renewed. Harmison, Hoggard and Vaughan are likely to get reduce deals because of their non-involvement in one-day internationals.

I would offer 15 and offer one to Prior as he has been the keeper in both the test matches and one-day internationals this summer.

If Prior was to miss out on a central contract but continues to be selected for England is the worst situation possible.
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Trescothick, Jones and Giles are unlikely to have their central contract deals renewed....
I should bloody hope he doesn't get a contract, as he's now retired from all forms of cricket!
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I should bloody hope he doesn't get a contract, as he's now retired from all forms of cricket!
That wouldn't stop the ECB. They are not the sharpest suits on the peg.
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It sounds like Prior is going to miss out on a central contract which I think is unlucky. Granted his keeping has to improve but since Alec Stewart retired England have been crying out for a batsmen who can average 40 in test cricket. They have been chopping and changing ever since now they have no found one in Prior what do they do but not offer him a central contract. I think it is disgusting. Either England want a keeper who can keep but who will average 20-25 (Read, Jones etc.) or they want a keeper who can bat. They can't have both as there is no one on the county cricket who can do both.

New contracts are likely to be awarded to Anderson, Bopara, Broad, Sidebottom and Tremlett.

Trescothick, Jones and Giles are unlikely to have their central contract deals renewed. Harmison, Hoggard and Vaughan are likely to get reduce deals because of their non-involvement in one-day internationals.

I would offer 15 and offer one to Prior as he has been the keeper in both the test matches and one-day internationals this summer.

If Prior was to miss out on a central contract but continues to be selected for England is the worst situation possible.
This post looks familiar... haven't I seen it on the central contracts thread as well?
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It sounds like Prior is going to miss out on a central contract which I think is unlucky. Granted his keeping has to improve but since Alec Stewart retired England have been crying out for a batsmen who can average 40 in test cricket. They have been chopping and changing ever since now they have no found one in Prior what do they do but not offer him a central contract. I think it is disgusting. Either England want a keeper who can keep but who will average 20-25 (Read, Jones etc.) or they want a keeper who can bat. They can't have both as there is no one on the county cricket who can do both.

New contracts are likely to be awarded to Anderson, Bopara, Broad, Sidebottom and Tremlett.

Trescothick, Jones and Giles are unlikely to have their central contract deals renewed. Harmison, Hoggard and Vaughan are likely to get reduce deals because of their non-involvement in one-day internationals.

I would offer 15 and offer one to Prior as he has been the keeper in both the test matches and one-day internationals this summer.

If Prior was to miss out on a central contract but continues to be selected for England is the worst situation possible.
The main criterion for a player being offered a central contract is that they feature heavily in England's plans over the horizon of the next 12 months. If Prior is not offered one, it implies that he still has it to do to convince the selectors that he is "the one" for the troublesome 'keeper slot.

Given some of his trials and tribulations with both disciplines, this is not unreasonable. I don't forsee him being discarded right away, but neither do I forsee him being able to withstand lack of runs and/or difficulties continuing with dropped catches.
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