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Old 30th December 2014, 12:06   #21
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It's a pity that there's now no competitive cricket between the Minor Counties and the First Class counties - either individually or a combination (Unicorns) side. I thought Michael Vaughan's idea for an FA Cup style t20 competition was great.

Much of the variety of the season has been eroded down the years - no longer are there none of the above, but also the counties no longer play the MCC (except once in Abu Dhabi), or Scotland and Holland, and the number of games against touring countries has drastically decreased. Also in the latter case the inviation XIs such as Lavinia Duchess of Norfolk's XI, T N Pearce's XI etc, are all now long gone.

It's true there's some additions, with the counties playing more universities (though now condensed into a tiny window in April) and against some countries' touring "A" teams, though I get the impression some counties wouldn't mind doing away with these so they were left to solely play matches against each other.
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I liked Vaughan's idea (as loathe as I am to type that). It appeals to the glorious underdog tradition we have and would be better than the lets just play the same local teams every season in wildly different strength groups.
Vaughan's idea is a fantastic proposition, particularly for the Minor Counties, but the ECB will never go for it as there are too many risks to the cash cow that the domestic T20 has become. Ironically, T20 is the format where the MC's would have the best chance of beating a first-class team. Will be interesting to see how the Minor Counties comp goes this year. It'll certainly be played in some picturesque grounds and the first round features a number of double headers where four counties are playing their two respective matches at the same venue.
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Vaughan's idea is a fantastic proposition, particularly for the Minor Counties, but the ECB will never go for it as there are too many risks to the cash cow that the domestic T20 has become. Ironically, T20 is the format where the MC's would have the best chance of beating a first-class team. Will be interesting to see how the Minor Counties comp goes this year. It'll certainly be played in some picturesque grounds and the first round features a number of double headers where four counties are playing their two respective matches at the same venue.
T20 Double headers are just about the most stupid thing ever. Find the element that made T20 a success and then negate it.
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T20 Double headers are just about the most stupid thing ever. Find the element that made T20 a success and then negate it.
T20 at minor county level is going to be a vastly different kettle of fish to first class. There's only likely to be 10 people spectating rather than 10,000. I would guess that two games being played at the same venue is probably a money saving idea. This will be T20 for the cricket conoisseur rather than the beered up looking for a night outin fancy dress whilst attempting to get on tv.
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T20 at minor county level is going to be a vastly different kettle of fish to first class. There's only likely to be 10 people spectating rather than 10,000. I would guess that two games being played at the same venue is probably a money saving idea. This will be T20 for the cricket conoisseur rather than the beered up looking for a night outin fancy dress whilst attempting to get on tv.
So imagine the difference in interest if Cornwall were playing Somerset in a t20 knock-out game at Truro.

However, the counties seem to regard anything other than playing each other, preferably at an HQ ground, mostly as a chore. They complained about having to travel to Holland for the Pro 40. This despite the fact that it only involved six counties having to go there once a year. Holland were so keen to stay in the one-day competition that they then even offered to play their home games in England, but that was rejected.

The Unicorns (i.e. Minor Counties) were equally keen but they were also given short shrift and now have to make do with one game a year against a touring "A" team.
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So imagine the difference in interest if Cornwall were playing Somerset in a t20 knock-out game at Truro.

However, the counties seem to regard anything other than playing each other, preferably at an HQ ground, mostly as a chore. They complained about having to travel to Holland for the Pro 40. This despite the fact that it only involved six counties having to go there once a year. Holland were so keen to stay in the one-day competition that they then even offered to play their home games in England, but that was rejected.

The Unicorns (i.e. Minor Counties) were equally keen but they were also given short shrift and now have to make do with one game a year against a touring "A" team.
Oh that would be brilliant! And surely Somerset fans would enjoy the day out as well?
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Upsets always sound great on paper but lead to disappointing competitions later on. We need concentration of excellence not further dilution. Imagine if Somerset were knocked out? That's six home games of 7000 people through the gates lost. And I'm not being facetious here.
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Upsets always sound great on paper but lead to disappointing competitions later on. We need concentration of excellence not further dilution. Imagine if Somerset were knocked out? That's six home games of 7000 people through the gates lost. And I'm not being facetious here.
Not if it's just a straight knock out which I think is what Vaughan wanted. Not that it would ever happen because you'd lose out on the money the T20 groups stages give ya.
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Upsets always sound great on paper but lead to disappointing competitions later on. We need concentration of excellence not further dilution. Imagine if Somerset were knocked out? That's six home games of 7000 people through the gates lost. And I'm not being facetious here.
I know, i know. Unfortunately the county game has now become so reliant on the cash cow that is the T20 that the current format won't change. Unless the ECB chucked in a another competition to the already overcrowded calendar?!

But we can indulge in a few moments of whimsy and romance before getting back to reality!
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Its not just money though, but also visibility for the game. Also, how could the major counties plan major overseas signings if they might only get one game?
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The only way it would work is if it were an extra competition. Maybe the 50/50 could be a straight knock out and have a straight knock out 20/20. Or summat. The money reason and the scheduling reason are why it'll never happen.
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The only way it would work is if it were an extra competition. Maybe the 50/50 could be a straight knock out and have a straight knock out 20/20. Or summat. The money reason and the scheduling reason are why it'll never happen.
The only way i can see it working is through the Indian model with the marquee franchise Premier League supported by a wider county-based cup.
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On a separate note, tis interesting how the tournament works. The 20 minor counties are divided in 5 groups of 4 on a geographical basis. So, for instance, Cornwall, Devon, Wiltshire and Dorset are in one group. They will play at Exmouth with Cornwall playing Dorset and Devon playing Wiltshire. The two winning teams will play in the final day's game with the winner of that will progress to finals day at Banbury. Unless you are the winner of group 4 and 5 who will play-off for the fourth spot at finals day. (Not sure how they decided that!)

With three games played at each venue between the 4 teams it sounds like it could be an intriguing day out.
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The only way it would work is if it were an extra competition. Maybe the 50/50 could be a straight knock out and have a straight knock out 20/20. Or summat. The money reason and the scheduling reason are why it'll never happen.
Oh, it will. Once the Championship is pared down to 14 teams or, more likely, three divisions of 6, this is exactly how the 'saved' time will be spent.
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Not if it's just a straight knock out which I think is what Vaughan wanted. Not that it would ever happen because you'd lose out on the money the T20 groups stages give ya.
He didn't want it to replace the t20 cup but to run as an additional knock-out tournament. As he said: "It wouldn't add too much more cricket to the first-class sides because they might only need to play four matches to reach the final."

So presumably he had it mind that 32 sides would make up the round where the major counties entered.

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I don't agree with that at all.

Upsets are one of the most exciting things in sport and ones that remain etched in history.

I don't see why it would "dilute" excellence. It could encourage Minor Counties to raise their game and standard, with the competition and money from it helping them improve. Durham's wins over Yorkshire and Derbyshire are acknowledged as important on their road to First Class status:

"...the fact that Durham had established a reputation in cup cricket, with those wins over Yorkshire and Derbyshire... meant that opinion had been edged that vital bit closer to accepting them as a first-class county." - from 'Durham - Birth of a First-Class County' by Ralph Dellor.

If Somerset were knocked out - hard luck! That's knock-out competitions. If a Premiership football side get knocked out in the FA Cup third round they have to live with it. They way to budget for that is to regard any match beyond the entry stage as a bonus rather than an expectation. And it's not "six home games" lost because - crucial to this discussion - the other t20 competition wouldn't be scrapped.
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He didn't want it to replace the t20 cup but to run as an additional knock-out tournament. As he said: "It wouldn't add too much more cricket to the first-class sides because they might only need to play four matches to reach the final."

So presumably he had it mind that 32 sides would make up the round where the major counties entered.



I don't agree with that at all.

Upsets are one of the most exciting things in sport and ones that remain etched in history.

I don't see why it would "dilute" excellence. It could encourage Minor Counties to raise their game and standard, with the competition and money from it helping them improve. Durham's wins over Yorkshire and Derbyshire are acknowledged as important on their road to First Class status:

"...the fact that Durham had established a reputation in cup cricket, with those wins over Yorkshire and Derbyshire... meant that opinion had been edged that vital bit closer to accepting them as a first-class county." - from 'Durham - Birth of a First-Class County' by Ralph Dellor.

If Somerset were knocked out - hard luck! That's knock-out competitions. If a Premiership football side get knocked out in the FA Cup third round they have to live with it. They way to budget for that is to regard any match beyond the entry stage as a bonus rather than an expectation. And it's not "six home games" lost because - crucial to this discussion - the other t20 competition wouldn't be scrapped.
Firstly, I hadn't realised we were discussing this as an additional competition (sorry, I didn't read the article from Vaughan). Although I fear such a competition wouldn't be taken too seriously by the professional counties, eg the League Cup in football.

As a child of Hereford, I'm as much a fan of the underdog as anyone else but while occasional upsets can be exciting, a competition in which poorer standard sides progress ends up being devalued.

I also think you put too much stall in the Minor Counties. I doubt we'll ever see another MC be "promoted" again, so I don't really see a huge amount of point in getting them to improve. Such an effort would be better made improving things elsewhere.
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Oh, it will. Once the Championship is pared down to 14 teams or, more likely, three divisions of 6, this is exactly how the 'saved' time will be spent.
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I also think you put too much stall in the Minor Counties. I doubt we'll ever see another MC be "promoted" again, so I don't really see a huge amount of point in getting them to improve. Such an effort would be better made improving things elsewhere.
How about this:

The County Championship is expanded from 18 teams to 24, playing in three divisions of eight. The number of Championship games is thus reduced to 14, easing fixture pressure, and the problem of having an odd number of sides is resolved.

The six new clubs would be very carefully selected - based on a variety of factors including existing facilities, location, and above all, the potential to draw healthy crowds. They could be built around existing minor counties, combinations of them (e.g. Devon/Cornwall), existing cricket hubs (e.g. Oxford, Cambridge) new clubs (e.g. a new "London" club), or even based on existing larger urban outgrounds (Scarborough, "East Coast", Blackpool "West Coast").

Note here that this would be a carefully-planned, long-term project for the future of the domestic game. The new clubs would receive seed funding from the ECB and elsewhere to get the projects off the ground and establish the clubs.

Rather than a top-down approach as with franchise-based cash-cows, this would be a grass roots project aimed at increasing participation, spectator numbers and of course a wider net for developing future England players. All the clubs would of course have academies/centres of cricket excellence.

The focus at the new clubs would be on young players and development projects. The initial squads would be paid but on moderate salaries, e.g. 1,500 per month from March-September, with the possibility to combine playing with other work/study. They would work in close co-operation with the existing MCCUs. Instead of players from the latter having to scratch around for the odd county 2nd XI game in the summer, as they do now, most of them would have summer contracts to develop their game at the new clubs when their university term was over.

The teams in the third division would play each other only once in the Championship in a shorter season - 7 matches, and at first at least there would be no or limited promotion and relegation between Division 3 and Division 2 (obviously 2 existing counties, to be decided, would need to play in Division three).

The new clubs' main source of income would be from match/t20 attendances, which would be vigorously marketed to the local community.

The t20 cup would be three groups of 8, played home and away (14 matches), with 3/3/2 teams from each group progressing to the quarter-finals. (An alternative is four groups of 6, 10 matches and a Michael-Vaughan-style t20 knock-out competition as well).

The 50 over competition would be 4 groups of 6 (2 progress from each group) with the teams playing each other just once (5 matches).

Fixture congestion for the bigger counties would also be eased by the third division counties taking on the tour games against visting "A" teams.

A vibrant, long-term future for an expanded domestic game!

Right, now that's solved, where's my morning coffee?
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That's a bit of an elaborate plan just to allow Leicestershire to win a game.
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T20 at minor county level is going to be a vastly different kettle of fish to first class. There's only likely to be 10 people spectating rather than 10,000. I would guess that two games being played at the same venue is probably a money saving idea. This will be T20 for the cricket conoisseur rather than the beered up looking for a night outin fancy dress whilst attempting to get on tv.
T20 isn't about getting beered up. It's about playing cricket during my leisure time and not when I'm stuck at work.

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Firstly, I hadn't realised we were discussing this as an additional competition (sorry, I didn't read the article from Vaughan). Although I fear such a competition wouldn't be taken too seriously by the professional counties, eg the League Cup in football.

As a child of Hereford, I'm as much a fan of the underdog as anyone else but while occasional upsets can be exciting, a competition in which poorer standard sides progress ends up being devalued.

I also think you put too much stall in the Minor Counties. I doubt we'll ever see another MC be "promoted" again, so I don't really see a huge amount of point in getting them to improve. Such an effort would be better made improving things elsewhere.
You improve the base of the pyramid. Better players there improves club cricket, which helps youngsters coming up.

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How about this:

The County Championship is expanded from 18 teams to 24, playing in three divisions of eight. The number of Championship games is thus reduced to 14, easing fixture pressure, and the problem of having an odd number of sides is resolved.

The six new clubs would be very carefully selected - based on a variety of factors including existing facilities, location, and above all, the potential to draw healthy crowds. They could be built around existing minor counties, combinations of them (e.g. Devon/Cornwall), existing cricket hubs (e.g. Oxford, Cambridge) new clubs (e.g. a new "London" club), or even based on existing larger urban outgrounds (Scarborough, "East Coast", Blackpool "West Coast").

Note here that this would be a carefully-planned, long-term project for the future of the domestic game. The new clubs would receive seed funding from the ECB and elsewhere to get the projects off the ground and establish the clubs.

Rather than a top-down approach as with franchise-based cash-cows, this would be a grass roots project aimed at increasing participation, spectator numbers and of course a wider net for developing future England players. All the clubs would of course have academies/centres of cricket excellence.

The focus at the new clubs would be on young players and development projects. The initial squads would be paid but on moderate salaries, e.g. 1,500 per month from March-September, with the possibility to combine playing with other work/study. They would work in close co-operation with the existing MCCUs. Instead of players from the latter having to scratch around for the odd county 2nd XI game in the summer, as they do now, most of them would have summer contracts to develop their game at the new clubs when their university term was over.

The teams in the third division would play each other only once in the Championship in a shorter season - 7 matches, and at first at least there would be no or limited promotion and relegation between Division 3 and Division 2 (obviously 2 existing counties, to be decided, would need to play in Division three).

The new clubs' main source of income would be from match/t20 attendances, which would be vigorously marketed to the local community.

The t20 cup would be three groups of 8, played home and away (14 matches), with 3/3/2 teams from each group progressing to the quarter-finals. (An alternative is four groups of 6, 10 matches and a Michael-Vaughan-style t20 knock-out competition as well).

The 50 over competition would be 4 groups of 6 (2 progress from each group) with the teams playing each other just once (5 matches).

Fixture congestion for the bigger counties would also be eased by the third division counties taking on the tour games against visting "A" teams.

A vibrant, long-term future for an expanded domestic game!

Right, now that's solved, where's my morning coffee?
That's an interesting idea. Can't see it happening as it's sharing out the money more ways though.

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Who's to say Leicestershire would be able to win a game in Division 3?
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T20 isn't about getting beered up. It's about playing cricket during my leisure time and not when I'm stuck at work.
This was your post to which i replied about T20 and getting beered up:

"T20 Double headers are just about the most stupid thing ever. Find the element that made T20 a success and then negate it."

It was a comparison between the first class tournament and the new minor counties equivalent, which will be a vastly different experience for anyone who chooses to go and spectate. Like you i also dont go to watch T20 to get beered up. But T20 double headers arent the way to go for the T20 Blast. However they make perfect sense for the Minor Counties equivalent as there isnt the time or money to lavish around on the logistics.
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You improve the base of the pyramid. Better players there improves club cricket, which helps youngsters coming up.

That's an interesting idea. Can't see it happening as it's sharing out the money more ways though.
As you say, you improve the pyramid lower down, not from the top down.

I think cricket as a spectator sport is already too top-heavy and should be encouraging watching at a more local level. The last thing it needs is t20 franchises. That would just be more city-based cricket at the city grounds where all the major cricket is already played.

Not so long ago a lot of league cricket was still reasonably well-attended, but crowd numbers have collapsed to a mere handful in many cases. My suggestion revives interest at local level.
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