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Old 11th April 2017, 12:40   #61
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Old 11th April 2017, 12:57   #62
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Is Wadlan still at Cornwall?
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Old 11th April 2017, 14:27   #63
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Is Wadlan still at Cornwall?
I believe so. He had a shoulder problem which restricted his bowling but his batting was stellar last year, scoring three centuries.
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Old 11th April 2017, 17:22   #64
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Jigar Naik has signed for Dorset.

Current champs Berkshire have Chris Peploe who has taken 70 odd wickets over the last two seasons and is very enjoyable to watch. They also have Euan Woods who looks a very good prospect but he may well end up playing more for Surrey's 2's this year.
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Old 17th April 2017, 19:31   #65
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Spent a very enjoyable day watching a 50 over friendly between Oxfordshire and Bucks.

Bring on the new MC's season!
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Old 27th April 2017, 17:37   #66
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Ollie Freckingham (formerly of Leicestershire) and Wayne White (formerly of a few counties) have signed for Cheshire whilst Recordo Gordon (formerly of Warwickshire) has signed for Cambridgeshire.
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Old 27th April 2017, 20:16   #67
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Dorset have got Somerset's Max Waller at the moment which is a bit of a coup.
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Old 29th April 2017, 14:29   #68
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I cant see it. There are 2 things going against them: the difference in playing standard and facilities. Minor counties cricket is at best equitable with a modest standard of second xi cricket. No doubt a new first class county would attract first class standard players but it'd be a big jump for those players who were part of the minor counties squad. Would the county ditch all of its players in favour of other players with first class experience or would they be willing to give them a go?

Facilities is now a major issue. None of the present minor counties has a venue that could host first class cricket without having to get in temporary stands and all the other stuff that are apparent at an outground. So it would be expensive.

Dont get me wrong, i'd love to see it happen, but i cant see it happen.

Having said that, i've watched a bit of minor counties cricket over the last couple of summers and it is a joy just rocking up, placing one's fold-out chair by the boundary and being close to the action. The standard is decent as well.
But do they really need so much in terms of facilities? Good pitches, and facilities for players and perhaps 2.000 spectators. What more? And what better way to invest crickets increasing revenues. I think its more a question of priorities than cost. The average minor county hq is likely a far more attractive place for four-day cricket than, say that empty hampshire bowl.
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Old 29th April 2017, 14:36   #69
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But do they really need so much in terms of facilities? Good pitches, and facilities for players and perhaps 2.000 spectators. What more? And what better way to invest crickets increasing revenues. I think its more a question of priorities than cost. The average minor county hq is likely a far more attractive place for four-day cricket than, say that empty hampshire bowl.
In a word, yes. As has been shown with outgrounds, things like temporary stands, toilets etc are not cheap. At the moment the minor counties operate without any of this cos crowds are tiny. So the loos and bar in the pavilion fulfil any requirements. Anybody who does come and watch usually bring their own seats.

Promote a county to first-class level and the expectations / requirements will be much higher. Plus most minor counties dont actually own a ground. They use local clubs to host their matches.

Minor counties are also not flush with cash. I'm not sure exactly how much each receives every year from the ECB but i've heard 30k up to 50k. The MCCU's receive almost double that figure of 50k.
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Old 29th April 2017, 15:29   #70
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In a word, yes. As has been shown with outgrounds, things like temporary stands, toilets etc are not cheap. At the moment the minor counties operate without any of this cos crowds are tiny. So the loos and bar in the pavilion fulfil any requirements. Anybody who does come and watch usually bring their own seats.

Promote a county to first-class level and the expectations / requirements will be much higher. Plus most minor counties dont actually own a ground. They use local clubs to host their matches.

Minor counties are also not flush with cash. I'm not sure exactly how much each receives every year from the ECB but i've heard 30k up to 50k. The MCCU's receive almost double that figure of 50k.
I cant see the lack of toilets being the root cause. There is ever more money in sport. Lancashire got 10 TEN million for simply adding an eight letter word to their ground name. Sure, a test ground cant compare but seriously. The ECB pumps millions into both county and grass roots cricket. What is the real cost with a bit of planning. A stand doesnt real cost anything. Its basically stairs on the side of a building. Its the building that cost money and the ecb supports the construction of lots of buildings in the form of indoor facilities. Build what youre building anyway at a minor county ground and there is the facilities.

I cant really see money being the problem. Its more that they dont see the value and I think thats a shame
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You've completely ignored two of the points made:

1.) most minor counties dont own a ground. They use club grounds.

2.) Minor counties generally receive between 30k and 50k each summer to run everything. Berkshire are the current champs and, at their AGM a month ago, announced that they made a profit of 542!

Minor counties cricket is understanding where it is in the structure: in something of a siding. I'd imagine that the gulf in finances alone is vastly different since Durham became the 18th first class county in 1992.

In some respects, Berkshire's squad is a good example of the player set-up: they have 17 year old Euan Woods who is on Surrey's books and is likely to play first-class cricket, they have Chris Peploe, a former player with Middlesex coming toward the end of his county playing days at 35 and a bundle of players in their early 20's who probably havent got enough to make it at first class level. (Not to deride their abilities as they are very good players but the first class boat has, in all likelihood, sailed for them.)
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A couple of counties have recently announced link-ups with first-class equivalents: Staffs with Warwickshire and Berkshire with Middlesex.

Will be interesting to see how those develop and whether they provide the minor counties with any playing advantages.
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You've completely ignored two of the points made:

1.) most minor counties dont own a ground. They use club grounds.

2.) Minor counties generally receive between 30k and 50k each summer to run everything. Berkshire are the current champs and, at their AGM a month ago, announced that they made a profit of 542!

Minor counties cricket is understanding where it is in the structure: in something of a siding. I'd imagine that the gulf in finances alone is vastly different since Durham became the 18th first class county in 1992.

In some respects, Berkshire's squad is a good example of the player set-up: they have 17 year old Euan Woods who is on Surrey's books and is likely to play first-class cricket, they have Chris Peploe, a former player with Middlesex coming toward the end of his county playing days at 35 and a bundle of players in their early 20's who probably havent got enough to make it at first class level. (Not to deride their abilities as they are very good players but the first class boat has, in all likelihood, sailed for them.)
Re 1: it doesnt matter who owns a ground
Re 2 : its a strange arguments that counties cant receive more based on them getting less now. I bet all the first class counties expect more.

And why shouldnt they. ECB income will most likely increase rapidly in the years ahead. They spend around 30% on grass roots and probably around the same on county cricket. Now I certainly accept the argument that such income could be better spent on other things but its not true that the money isnt there.

And its hard to see the extreme cost. If minor counties use club grounds, the expenses stay inside cricket. The only real costs would appear to be salaries but its not as if no one would likely attend, say a T20 east anglian derby or devon v cornwall in Torquay.
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Re 1: it doesnt matter who owns a ground
Re 2 : its a strange arguments that counties cant receive more based on them getting less now. I bet all the first class counties expect more.

And why shouldnt they. ECB income will most likely increase rapidly in the years ahead. They spend around 30% on grass roots and probably around the same on county cricket. Now I certainly accept the argument that such income could be better spent on other things but its not true that the money isnt there.

And its hard to see the extreme cost. If minor counties use club grounds, the expenses stay inside cricket. The only real costs would appear to be salaries but its not as if no one would likely attend, say a T20 east anglian derby or devon v cornwall in Torquay.
The only expenses that stay inside cricket are those that are currently incurred: hiring a club for the day. In order to add what is expected for first class cricket there would be additional expense of hiring seating and loos. That is not money staying insiide cricket. Plus some club grounds, i.e the playing area,used for minor counties cricket would not be up to the required standard for fc cricket.

As for an east anglian derby, thats one game, what about the rest? Not every game can be a derby with the neighbouring county.

As for the ecb throwing more money at the mc's game with the view of one of them pushing for fc status, wheres it gonna come from? The new T20 comp is being created to make the fc game more sustainable so how can the ecb afford to pump thousands into the mc's game? Any increase would have to be given to all 20 counties. How much does the average fc county receive from the ecb each year? Its likely to be a massive amount more than the 30 to 50k paid to the mc's.
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Old 7th May 2017, 19:23   #75
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Monty Panesar played for Bedfordshire today apparently.
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Not sure where to put this, but this section seemed relevant.

In Richard Hobson's review of this year's Wisden Almanac in The Cricketer, he notes a "hidden gem" in the Errata, correcting a mistake from the 1913 edition, 104 years ago.

Apparently it was then reported that the highest score made by R W Bryan for Cambridgeshire in the 1912 season was 1. It should have in fact been 31.

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Fabulous afternoon in the minor counties today. Chris Peploe showing what a class act he is at this level with another 5-fer and 10 wicket match haul for defending champs Berks, Oxfordshire beat Devon by 5 runs, Cambs beat Beds by 2 wickets and 2 counties hanging on for draws with just 3 wickets left! Marvellous!
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Seems that a T20 comp is back on the minor counties agenda:

http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/t...aley-1-5092525

Last time out it was four counties playing two semi-finals and a final to qualify for the knock-out stages (5 group winners, 3 straight to finals day, 2 to a play-off for the last spot)

Will be interesting to see if the comp is the same or whether it is tweaked for what is an already busy minor counties calendar.
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Facilities is now a major issue. None of the present minor counties has a venue that could host first class cricket without having to get in temporary stands and all the other stuff that are apparent at an outground. So it would be expensive.
Is that really true? I've played at Dorset's home ground (Dean Park, Bournemouth) and not only is it a former County ground, but the facilities seemed up to scratch, albeit with less seating than most County grounds. Capacity is 6,000. Chelmsford's is only 6,500. Not sure of some of the other non-Test county grounds. New Road, Worcester is only 5,500.
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Is that really true? I've played at Dorset's home ground (Dean Park, Bournemouth) and not only is it a former County ground, but the facilities seemed up to scratch, albeit with less seating than most County grounds. Capacity is 6,000. Chelmsford's is only 6,500. Not sure of some of the other non-Test county grounds. New Road, Worcester is only 5,500.
Dorset no longer play at Dean Park. Ownership of the ground changed hands and the new owners wanted to use the pavilion for other things so it wouldnt have been available during matches i think. Otherwise yes, it would have been a possibility. Truro in cornwall would probably be the most likely ground to fit the bill.
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