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Old 24th July 2017, 11:01   #81
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Is that really true? I've played at Dorset's home ground (Dean Park, Bournemouth) and not only is it a former County ground, but the facilities seemed up to scratch, albeit with less seating than most County grounds. Capacity is 6,000. Chelmsford's is only 6,500. Not sure of some of the other non-Test county grounds. New Road, Worcester is only 5,500.
Sure, some MCs could host a first-class match - after all, there are still some pretty basic county outgrounds that do that.

However, if we are talking about raising a MC to compete in the major county competitions that is not the major challenge.

You would need to build facilities at the ground not just to be suitable for one match, but to be a permanent workplace for staff and players, 52 weeks a year.

That means good offices, and for the players proper indoor facilities for training.

On top of that excutive boxes and so on, and (if one thinks it is worth it) facilities for non-cricket revenue such as a conference room.

Then you have to pay all these staff and players. Without that the club could not attract the standard of players required to compete against the other counties over a season.

As a measure of this, in this month's Cricketer, the feature was on Leicestershire. Their yearly expenditure was 4.11 million - pro staff cost 1.72 million, and office and admin cost 717,000.

Their income was 4.2 million, but this bolstered by 2.62 million from the ECB.

So unless you are looking at creating a club that can attract 20,000 crowds for T20 Blast games, and host other major matches, I cannot see how it would be workable. You would need ?? millions in start-up costs and then the ECB willing to support another county.
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Dorset no longer play at Dean Park. Ownership of the ground changed hands and the new owners wanted to use the pavilion for other things so it wouldnt have been available during matches i think. Otherwise yes, it would have been a possibility. Truro in cornwall would probably be the most likely ground to fit the bill.
They no longer play at Dean Park? Their website says they do (not that that's much of a guarantee of things). Where do they play instead? I know they played at Sherborne School occasionally, but surely not as a permanent ground. Such a shame - Dean Park was a lovely ground. Probably worth megabucks to redevelop though, right in the heart of one of Bournemouth's most expensive suburbs.
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Sure, some MCs could host a first-class match - after all, there are still some pretty basic county outgrounds that do that.
I don't disagree with much of what you said, but Dean Park had the facilities, in my opinion. Whether Dorset could ever support a proper County - well, completely different question and I'd wager not.
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They no longer play at Dean Park? Their website says they do (not that that's much of a guarantee of things). Where do they play instead? I know they played at Sherborne School occasionally, but surely not as a permanent ground. Such a shame - Dean Park was a lovely ground. Probably worth megabucks to redevelop though, right in the heart of one of Bournemouth's most expensive suburbs.
2015 was the last time they played there. Amongst other venues dorset now play at bashley (in hampshire) and north perrott (in somerset) which is rather amusing!
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2015 was the last time they played there. Amongst other venues dorset now play at bashley (in hampshire) and north perrott (in somerset) which is rather amusing!
Oh dear. I mean, Bashley is just a nice club ground. Lots of nice club grounds round there though. Why not play at Swan Green and have a dozen trees and a main A road to contend with. Very sad that Dean Park isn't being used for cricket. Only a matter of time before its subdivided, I suspect.
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10 wickets and a century for Chris Peploe in Berkshire's win over Oxfordshire. Not bad for a 36 year old!

Berks into the final with a game to spare. Again, not bad considering the champo season is only 6 matches.
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Chris Read played for Devon in the round of fixtures last week and is due to do so again in the final round of fixtures next weekend.
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Sure, some MCs could host a first-class match - after all, there are still some pretty basic county outgrounds that do that.

However, if we are talking about raising a MC to compete in the major county competitions that is not the major challenge.

You would need to build facilities at the ground not just to be suitable for one match, but to be a permanent workplace for staff and players, 52 weeks a year.

That means good offices, and for the players proper indoor facilities for training.

On top of that excutive boxes and so on, and (if one thinks it is worth it) facilities for non-cricket revenue such as a conference room.

Then you have to pay all these staff and players. Without that the club could not attract the standard of players required to compete against the other counties over a season.

As a measure of this, in this month's Cricketer, the feature was on Leicestershire. Their yearly expenditure was 4.11 million - pro staff cost 1.72 million, and office and admin cost 717,000.

Their income was 4.2 million, but this bolstered by 2.62 million from the ECB.

So unless you are looking at creating a club that can attract 20,000 crowds for T20 Blast games, and host other major matches, I cannot see how it would be workable. You would need ?? millions in start-up costs and then the ECB willing to support another county.
From those numbers Leicestershire make 1.6 million independent of the ECB. A quick google suggest that same figure was only 700,000 in 2011, apparently more than doubling in just six years. Where will it be in another six years?

Counties have never been richer. Salaries have never been higher. 50k is now average pay. I read that in a story about "the grim realities" of county cricket. Grim indeed, playing cricket for 50,000. I doubt many other industries can grow wages at that rate consistently for decades and still somehow present themselves as facing imminent doom and gloom.

Counties are always going to desperately depend on ECB grants. Thats how subsidies work. If their income grows too much, they will make sure to invent new expenses to keep needing the ECB money, usually by paying higher wages. To some extent that is ok. I want counties to have well-paid players, good coaches, facilities etc but there are limits. If a fringe Leicestershire player make 100K in 10 years time, partly from 7 million ECB grant is that still an argument against promoting minor counties? And is it money well spent? I dont think so.
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Congrats to Berkshire who have just won the Minor Counties Knock-Out Cup, beating Lincolnshire by 4 wickets at Wormsley. The two counties face off again for the 3 day championship from Sunday onward at Banbury. Berkshire are chasing the double as well as attempting to retain their championship title.
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