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Old 22nd February 2008, 23:41   #41
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Yes I suppose, but not ideal when you are playing Tests early season in England to come from slogging in India. It might be that they are only a few days late and they do get some five day practice in.

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'The IPL, which operates on a pay-per-play model, starts on April 18, New Zealand's tour of England begin nine days later.

That will leave the trio facing an interesting dilemma.

Vettori, vice-captain McCullum and Oram may seek to delay their arrival in England, a move that could call their loyalty into question and hamper their preparation for a three-test series starting at Lord's on May 15.

On the eve of the fifth and final one-dayer against England here tomorrow, Vettori reiterated his "heart was with New Zealand" although at the same time he wanted to fit in as many IPL games as possible before heading to England.

Vettori had not decided whether he would be in England for the tour opener against the MCC at Arundel on April 27.

"We're working through it at the moment," he said of his discussions with New Zealand Cricket (NZC).

"I hope I'm available for a number of (IPL) games for obvious reasons but we have to sit back and wait."

Reports out of India claim the IPL players would have to compete for their franchises up to May 5. If so, Vettori would play six of the 13 round robin games for the Delhi Daredevils.

Were he able to meet that obligation he would still lose an estimated US$336,500 for missing the final seven games and possible semifinal and final.

Vettori was unsure if the May 5 scenario was workable but suggested arriving in England 10 days before a test was viable from a player's point of view.

"If it is May 5 then we've got 10 days before the first test starts, so it's still an extended period of time, longer than you'd have for any other tour," he said.
Turning their backs on their country, should be lined up and shot tbh.
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Old 23rd February 2008, 00:24   #42
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Take their bollywood and call centre money and run

Shame no English players are getting on the gravy train. Get in there lads.
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Old 23rd February 2008, 02:35   #43
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Take their bollywood and call centre money and run

Shame no English players are getting on the gravy train. Get in there lads.
Nah, in a way I'm glad none of our players are heading to that league-means more time for them to work for the domestic competitions..
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Old 23rd February 2008, 14:21   #44
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This is the report from the NZ Herald. Apparently the Kiwi IPL players, ie. Vettori, Oram, McCullum, need to play in the IPL at least until May 5th to get any payments. They will still miss out on their full payments if they don't play all the IPL games as it is apparently a 'pay for play' arrangement.

I can understand that Vettori and the other NZ IPL players want to maximise their IPL payments, however it wouldn't be a good look with the NZ captain and two other senior players missing the early part of the tour, even if they are only warm-up games. According to this article May 5th is just 10 days before the first test. As FBU says that is hardly ideal preparation, especially when you are coming straight from an Indian T20 competition.

I can see this sort of scenario of IPL v Country raising its ugly head quite regularly in future. We already have the Aussie players reluctant to tour Pakistan, supposedly out of security reasons, but also quite obviously out of their desire to jump aboard the IPL gravy train as quickly as possible.
This has really peed me off.


NZ are coming on a tour match to Essex 2-5 of May and I was really looking forward to seeing those three play. Guess they won't be now.

I'm realy hating this IPL tbh. But I can't stand 20/20 anyway.
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Old 23rd February 2008, 22:40   #45
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This has really peed me off.


NZ are coming on a tour match to Essex 2-5 of May and I was really looking forward to seeing those three play. Guess they won't be now.

I'm realy hating this IPL tbh. But I can't stand 20/20 anyway.
yes.. same here Kiki

in fact what ****es me off the most is that the highest bid upon Pakistani player was Mr Akhtar. What sort of a bloody example is this for our youth....he went for a higher price than Yunis Khan or Afridi or Gul.
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Old 24th February 2008, 13:41   #46
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Interesting article in today's Observer where the owners of the IPL are cited as claiming their end-goal is for the IPL to be as profitable as the English Premier League. And by extending that logic, might we see IPL tests at a future date?

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Old 24th February 2008, 16:23   #47
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Interesting article in today's Observer where the owners of the IPL are cited as claiming their end-goal is for the IPL to be as profitable as the English Premier League. And by extending that logic, might we see IPL tests at a future date?
Or perhaps they will introduce a round of extra games in foreign countries - I would go to watch Chennai vs Mumbai at Bristol
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Old 25th February 2008, 03:13   #48
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More s & $s between fitting in a bit of Tests and ODIs or not. Maybe just jet between the Caribbean and India and forget playing for your country.
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Old 25th February 2008, 07:32   #49
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And there was me thinking international players play too much already
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Old 25th February 2008, 07:48   #50
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It is funny how they whinge and whine about how crowded the calendar is and then put themselves into another tournament

Glad none of the English are chasing the money
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Old 26th February 2008, 11:52   #51
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What sickens me most is that the ICC and supine country boards are looking to ban ICL players and finish their careers, but tiptoe around the IPL and attempt to work around it. Where's the justification for that?
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Old 26th February 2008, 14:30   #52
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Now Setanta have bought the rights to screen all of the games live in the UK. I'm sure Sky would have loved to have screened it, but could not seriously contemplate it given the great fuss they made about their 'commitment' to English cricket and domestic cricket when they secured the rights to show all England's games, and the fact that the IPL clashes with the early domestic season and the start of the NZ tour. Typically Sky are already running a couple of stories on their website about the 'threat' that the IPL poses to international cricket.

It'll be really interesting to see the type of viewing figures Setanta get, particularly on the days when England are playing, or when county games are being shown. The NZ tour is hardly a glamour fixture, especially given that the two countries will have just played each other, and I know what I would rather watch if it came down to a choice between IPL and any county fixture. Interesting times ahead.
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Old 26th February 2008, 14:59   #53
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Now Setanta have bought the rights to screen all of the games live in the UK. I'm sure Sky would have loved to have screened it, but could not seriously contemplate it given the great fuss they made about their 'commitment' to English cricket and domestic cricket when they secured the rights to show all England's games, and the fact that the IPL clashes with the early domestic season and the start of the NZ tour. Typically Sky are already running a couple of stories on their website about the 'threat' that the IPL poses to international cricket.

It'll be really interesting to see the type of viewing figures Setanta get, particularly on the days when England are playing, or when county games are being shown. The NZ tour is hardly a glamour fixture, especially given that the two countries will have just played each other, and I know what I would rather watch if it came down to a choice between IPL and any county fixture. Interesting times ahead.
Bit annoyed seeing as I don't have Setanta
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It's only a tenner a month. The tournament doesn't run much longer than that I don't think.

Interestingly, if Setanta are starting to show an interest in cricket then it could be a positive thing for the general cricket fan. If Setanta had any sense then they would join with the Beeb/other terestrial network and put a bid in to rival sky for the Test matches. I'm sure the ECB would accept a reasonable amount for a bid like that, it's just Channel 4 offered a pittance and the Beeb didn't offer anything last time so had to take the Sky money
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It's only a tenner a month. The tournament doesn't run much longer than that I don't think.

Interestingly, if Setanta are starting to show an interest in cricket then it could be a positive thing for the general cricket fan. If Setanta had any sense then they would join with the Beeb/other terestrial network and put a bid in to rival sky for the Test matches. I'm sure the ECB would accept a reasonable amount for a bid like that, it's just Channel 4 offered a pittance and the Beeb didn't offer anything last time so had to take the Sky money
Setanta also have a 12.99 connection fee in some cases so a month's tournament could cost 22.99.

Setanta in its early days showed the NZ/Pak test & ODI series a few years ago on a PPV basis. Not sure how successful it was.

I'm not sure if I would welcome competition between Setanta & Sky. Setanta's coverage for football I'm told is not as good as Sky. Certainly their free sports news channel is not a patch on SSN
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Old 28th February 2008, 10:40   #56
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See Notts are unhappy that Hussey has broken his contract with them to go play for the IPL. This is all very worrying. I hope in future they schedule this before the county season.

Says in the paper yesterday that cos Setanta got this tournament they could be up for all the cricket including the tests etc. That would pee me off as my OH won't pay for Sky and Setanta and has Sky for the footie. I don't mind missing this championship as I have no interest in aload of players purely playing for money and not their countries, so therefore having no loyalty. But I'd be in a quandry if Setanta got all cricket.

I am scared money is going to ruin cricket just like it has football imo.
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The head of the Indian Premier League says some of England's leading players have approached him to take part in the multi-million pound competition. IPL chairman Lalit Modi said he opted against signing English players because of international commitments, but did not rule out their future involvement.

And Modi, vice-chairman of the BCCI as well as chairman of the IPL, said England's best players are keen to get involved.

"We have a huge amount of pressure from the English players to be participating in it," he said.

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I thought all our England players were complaining they played too much cricket and wanted to play less.

Who are these leading England players that have approached Modi? We only have about 3'leading players' anyway.

Well that is Flintoff and Pietersen ruled out. I think Cook also has said he wasn't interested so that narrows the list down. Bell, Vaughan, Strauss, Collingwood, Harmison, Sidebottom, Hoggard and Panesar left? Apart from KP, Collingwood and Freddy I don't think we have any leading players in the one day game.

So many players say they want to play for their country but many are really saying they want to play for the money they get playing for their country. Players from countries that don't pay their players well can be forgiven in a way but many of them play county cricket to compensate and now they want to do all three. Some might find out that they end up only playing in the IPL or the ICL. I wonder if it is a 'for ever' thing or if they have played and then cancel their contract after a year they can go back to playing for their country/county.

I think I read that the players only get paid if they actually play and some players might find that they didn't make as much money as they thought they would and might want to get out of their contract early.

The ECB are meeting today. All counties to have players contracted for the full year? Overseas players to have permission from their board to play county cricket? Where does that leave the Kolpaks? What will happen to Read, Solanki, Maddy etc? They would have to cancel their ICL contract. With less players from SA, WI, NZ and Aus in county cricket will we look to play English players in their place?

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Old 29th February 2008, 17:09   #59
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Heard that interview on five live this morning...good for him.

Quite depressing on my daily ceefax read on page 340. 5 pages this morning devoted to seperate players abandoning the counties and signing up for the IPL. Hoping Essex's oversea's player doesn't do the same. Doubt it as he is only 25, but it's still worrying me all this.

In fact if I see the letters IPL or ICL on ceefax once more, I may have to throw a 'Ricky Ponting being run out by Gary Pratt' style fit.
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