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Old 4th August 2017, 16:53   #781
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Another must-win tonight. Indeed, they almost all are at this 'business end' of the comp. But if Sussex win they will leapfrog Kent and with all five teams ahead of Kent playing, there is the prospect of the top three or four starting to open up a bit of a gap.

I guess it depends which Sussex turns up - the shambolic one or the one that went into overdrive v Surrey last night.

Although I suppose you could equally argue it depends which Kent bowling attack turns up - the one that can't hit its lengths or bowl to a plan or the one that did such a smart job v Hants the other night.

After their success at the Ageas, one trusts that Tredwell and Qayuum will both play again for only the second time this season....
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Old 4th August 2017, 17:26   #782
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I suppose the team for the West Indies game won't be announced until tomorrow. Its make up will influence whether or not I make the journey down. Five 2nd XI bowlers and I ain't interested.
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Old 4th August 2017, 18:03   #783
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I'd anticipate something like this v West Indies:

Bell-Drummond
Dickson
Northeast (or Ball)
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Haggett
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Qayuum
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Old 4th August 2017, 18:17   #784
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Yes, I fully accept the need to give the younger players a chance. However, having watched a fair bit of WI batting against a reserve attack this week, I'm not sure I have the appetite to see more of the same on Sunday (and WI will, of course, be batting first).
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Old 4th August 2017, 20:29   #785
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163 very defendable on what seems like a poor wicket.

Great to see Billings coming good. Archer dropping him, I reckon will turn out to have cost Sussex match. The Kent crowd knew it, too. On the radio it sounded by far the biggest cheeer of the entire innings. Not very sporting, but understandable!
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Sorry, fellow Kent supporters. I got that one wrong! But then so did our bowlers. Horribly, because that total was very defendable on that wicket. Some of Northeast's bizarre bowling changes didn't help.

The odds on qualification vacillate wildly with every single match, don't they?

But Kent are now up against it. Seventh and one point off the bottom with the second worst run rate and only four games to go means there is a mountain to climb -especially as six of the other eight teams play again before Kent do, so the gap to be made up will grow.

That will surely leave Kent needing to win their remaining four games - all of which take place within an intense 8 day period between Aug 11-18.

In contrast, Sussex, who I think have been below Kent for the entirety of the comp until tonight, have timed their run to perfection and now sit in fourth place with the second best NRR.

The oddest thing is that all the rained-off games seem to have benefited the teams who haven't been able to get on the field - three of the top four - Glam, Glos and Sussex - have had TEN no results between them.

ps : even odder is that there are six div two sides in the eight qualifying place as of tonight...
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Old 5th August 2017, 19:37   #787
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I'd anticipate something like this v West Indies:

Bell-Drummond
Dickson
Northeast (or Ball)
Weatherley
Crawley
Gidman
Rouse
Haggett
Tredwell
Qayuum
Hartley/ Hunn/Bernard/Thomas
Well my sources weren't far off. Billings instead of Weatherly (rightly so - why on earth did Kent decide to take him on loan from Hants and play him in the CC ahead of Blake and Crawley?) and I don't think anybody could have predicted the return of the forgotten Riley for his first f/c game in 16 months, instead of the two front-line spinners Tredwell and Qayuum.

The inclusion in the XII of the Aussie all-rounder Grant Stewart, who looks like a young Greg Chappell and has scored a few runs and taken a few wkts in the Kent league for Sandwich, speaks volumes about the lack of decent home-grown players coming thru the Kent academy.
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As expected, a touring side again being faced with a second eleven bowling attack. It's a shame not to be attending Canterbury Week, even if the festival is now a pale shadow of its former glory, but I need more than a half-hearted selection if I'm to make the whole-hearted effort in undertaking the long and expensive journey.
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Having written off Kent's attack, I have to admit that it hasn't done at all badly this morning.
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As expected, a touring side again being faced with a second eleven bowling attack. It's a shame not to be attending Canterbury Week, even if the festival is now a pale shadow of its former glory, but I need more than a half-hearted selection if I'm to make the whole-hearted effort in undertaking the long and expensive journey.
Yep, only two survivors from the XI that played v Sussex on Friday night - Bell-Drummond and Billings, both of whom asked to play in the hope that a big hundred might get them into the England side v the Windies, given that the hapless trio of Jennings, Westley and Malan managed fewer than 100 runs in six innings between them in the current Test. Astonishingly with the first Ashes Test just 108 days away, apart from Cook and Root England have absolutely no idea who will be batting in the top five.

Sadly it has done Bell-Drum more harm than good. He's now made 114 runs in his last seven innings at an average of 16 and is a mile off England selection. Billings might get a chance , though, with the three cubs from the Lions currently in the England top five barely able to muster a croak between them, let along a roar.

By the way, I'm sure the Kent CEO earlier this season promised Kent would field a strong side?

My brother has booked into a Canterbury hotel for two nights in order to attend all three days and is feeling very short-changed tonight.
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By the way, I'm sure the Kent CEO earlier this season promised Kent would field a strong side?

My brother has booked into a Canterbury hotel for two nights in order to attend all three days and is feeling very short-changed tonight.
I find it disrespectful to the touring side and the club supporters. It feels like these games are viewed as an unwelcome distraction rather than one of the season's highlights, as used to be the case. Unless, of course, Australia are the tourists...maybe counties' selections in these games should be borne in mind when the 2019 tour matches are allocated?
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Kent nicely placed for a white ball wooden spoon double.
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I find it disrespectful to the touring side and the club supporters. It feels like these games are viewed as an unwelcome distraction rather than one of the season's highlights, as used to be the case. Unless, of course, Australia are the tourists...maybe counties' selections in these games should be borne in mind when the 2019 tour matches are allocated?
Derbyshire have fielded a massively under-strength side against West Indies - basically a 2s side. Of course West Indies racked up 427-3.

As you say, these games used to be considered as highlights in the calendar. I can't remember who it was but not so long ago I read of a county captain who had been very successful but said that his greatest triumph was leading his side to beat the Australians.

Unfortunately this is part of a wider malaise in which counties seem to have been spoilt to death. They apparently don't want to field a proper side against tourists, they don't like playing touring 'A' sides either - even though this is an important reciprocation for England Lions touring abroad - they don't want to play the universities unless it is before the Championship starts (meaning that the MCCUs have to cram all 3 county games into the space of 13 days), they didn't like having to play Minor Counties sides away, they didn't want to travel to Holland or Scotland for one day a year at most (so got all these scrapped), and they got the 50 over cup groups regionalised.
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Derbyshire have fielded a massively under-strength side against West Indies - basically a 2s side. Of course West Indies racked up 427-3.

As you say, these games used to be considered as highlights in the calendar. I can't remember who it was but not so long ago I read of a county captain who had been very successful but said that his greatest triumph was leading his side to beat the Australians.

Unfortunately this is part of a wider malaise in which counties seem to have been spoilt to death. They apparently don't want to field a proper side against tourists, they don't like playing touring 'A' sides either - even though this is an important reciprocation for England Lions touring abroad - they don't want to play the universities unless it is before the Championship starts (meaning that the MCCUs have to cram all 3 county games into the space of 13 days), they didn't like having to play Minor Counties sides away, they didn't want to travel to Holland or Scotland for one day a year at most (so got all these scrapped), and they got the 50 over cup groups regionalised.

Whilst I don't disagree about the strength of sides picked against the WI this year, no the least by Kent, it is worth noting that Kent essentially had the better of the draw, despite a mostly 2nd XI/fringe player side. And the crowds were pretty good on days 1 & 2 (which had good weather).
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Whilst I don't disagree about the strength of sides picked against the WI this year, no the least by Kent, it is worth noting that Kent essentially had the better of the draw, despite a mostly 2nd XI/fringe player side. And the crowds were pretty good on days 1 & 2 (which had good weather).
Good. Though looking at that scorecard, that Kent team included quite a few experienced players.

The Derbyshire team includes:

Tom Wood -played just 2 first-class games before this
Calum Brodrick - first-class debut
Greg Cork - second first-class game
Matthew Sonczak - had played just 3 games for the 2s prior to this
James Taylor - also had played just 3 games for the 2s prior to this

Several of the others haven't been first-team regulars.

Basically they've rested the entire team that will play the crucial T20 match v Durham on Tuesday. Completely understandable in the circumstances, but maybe given that, a couple of decent guest players would have helped bolster the side.
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Basically they've rested the entire team that will play the crucial T20 match v Durham on Tuesday.
On vacation for Aug and only dipping in here irregularly, but Derbys are not that different from Kent, tbh. I think Kent made eight or nine changes from the first-choice side that had played in the T20 two days earlier?

I really don't mind that. Kent are perhaps second only to Warwicks as the most experienced/ageing side among the 18 counties, often fielding a team with an average age of over 30 this season. Vital to get that age average down, as they did v West Indies.

What sticks in the craw is CEOs - at various counties - lying thru their teeth to secure plum fixtures by promising the ECB and the board of the touring nation that they will field a strong side, when they know darned well they have no intention of doing any such thing. Teflon-coated careerist chief execs then wring their Judas hands and say 'nothing to do with me, it's the coach and captain who pick the team'.

On a different point, Paul's litany of how the moaning minnie counties have over the years got their own way over so many issues is highly pertinent.

It's part of the reason why the dead hand which the counties have traditionally herld over the game had to be broken by establishing entirely new entities from 2020 in the city-based comp.
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Well you are right, in that Kent will kick-off tomorrow night v Essex at Chelmsford in bottom place.

Yet if Adam Milne - while nobody is looking as all attention is diverted to the novelty of the pink ball test - can help them beat Essex and then Surrey the following night , it could mean that within the space of just 27 hours Kent could jump from bottom place to semi- finalists.

That won't quite rank alongside 1970, when Kent went from bottom place in July to county champions in Sept. But it will be a major achievement against the odds.

correction on edit : silly me - fourth place in the group qualifies and four made me think of semis, but should have said quarter-finalists).
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Well you are right, in that Kent will kick-off tomorrow night v Essex at Chelmsford in bottom place.

Yet if Adam Milne - while nobody is looking as all attention is diverted to the novelty of the pink ball test - can help them beat Essex and then Surrey the following night , it could mean that within the space of just 27 hours Kent could jump from bottom place to semi-finalists.

That won't quite rank alongside 1970, when Kent went from bottom place in July to county champions in Sept. But it will be a major achievement against the odds.
The pink ball carries no novelty value to old hands like us!

I've been reading an article on the endless permeations in the South Group and, apparently, it's even possible for Kent to get the home semi-final if results fall in a highly unlikely sequence and they explode their nrr. Another comparison might be the final day of the 1976 John Player League when nobody seriously factored Kent into the reckoning - of course, they racked up an almighty score in beating Glos to markedly improve their run-rate, the teams above them all lost and the trophy was delivered to the Mote Park ground by helicopter.

I was at the Mote on that sultry and spellbinding afternoon and I shall be Chelmsford tomorrow evening. Hopefully, the rain won't persist late into the day, although I'd expect both teams will be desperate to play whatever the conditions (Essex too have an outside chance of a priceless home QF).
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Two different explanations of Kent's T20 failings.

Matt Walker says they weren't good enough and didn't deserve to qualify as there were " lots of brilliant individual performances but (we) never quite put a team performance in” - http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbu...tunity-130855/

Sam Northeast blames it all on Kent's groundsman for failing to give them a "home advantage" at Canterbury, where they lost all but one of their matches: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbu...wnfall-130804/

Credit to Walker, but Northeast needs to grow up and lose his Harrow schoolboy sense of entitlement.
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Sam Northeast blames it all on Kent's groundsman for failing to give them a "home advantage" at Canterbury, where they lost all but one of their matches: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbu...wnfall-130804/

Credit to Walker, but Northeast needs to grow up and lose his Harrow schoolboy sense of entitlement.
Bit of an odd claim by SNE. He moans that the pitches don't suit Kent's explosive batters but all T20 sides have such men at the top of their orders, don't they? And most managed to get a result at Canterbury. I suspect they might simply have had superior bowlers.
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