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Old 10th October 2008, 14:53   #81
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Especially as the Kolpak not being a current international is a made-up non-enforceable rule from the ECB. It's neither here nor there as far as European law is concerned. Legally speaking, I'm certain that playing these games would have made no difference to his eligibility for Kent.
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Old 10th October 2008, 14:54   #82
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Especially as the Kolpak not being a current international is a made-up non-enforceable rule from the ECB. It's neither here nor there as far as European law is concerned. Legally speaking, I'm certain that playing these games would have made no difference to his eligibility for Kent.
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Old 10th October 2008, 15:26   #83
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Especially as the Kolpak not being a current international is a made-up non-enforceable rule from the ECB. It's neither here nor there as far as European law is concerned. Legally speaking, I'm certain that playing these games would have made no difference to his eligibility for Kent.
Yeah, I'd forgotten that part as well.

I imagine though that Mclaren is contracted to Kent for 12 months so they can simply say where and when he plays?
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Old 10th October 2008, 15:39   #84
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Yes, that's probably true, in which case Kent are being very churlish.
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Old 10th October 2008, 15:46   #85
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The indication from Mclaren's agent is that he will now try and qualify for England
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Yes, that's probably true, in which case Kent are being very churlish.
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Old 10th October 2008, 18:04   #87
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Hopefully Mclaren isn't seriously considering playing for England. Worst case scenario, he plays out the remaining 2 years of his contract and renegotiates as an overseas player then. He's still young.
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How can Denly, Key, Khan and Joseph go off and play for the Performance squad but McLaren can't play for South Africa but can play for the Gestetner Eagles?
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Mclaren has been frequently quoted about his loyalty to Kent and his intention to qualify for England. Kent have offered very good, long term contracts to several foreign players such as he and van Jaarsveld on that basis, so I think they're within their rights to exercise their option.
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Mclaren has been frequently quoted about his loyalty to Kent and his intention to qualify for England. Kent have offered very good, long term contracts to several foreign players such as he and van Jaarsveld on that basis, so I think they're within their rights to exercise their option.

It's a bit weird to think that someone who is born and bred in SA without British parents would prefer to play for another country. I read in an article today where he said it was his childhood dream to represent SA. I wonder if in a couple of years time he'll be saying, like KP, that he always felt English.

I'm pleased our guys seemed to much more loyal to our country.
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How can McLaren qualify for England, when he has already played for SA?
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He hasn't played for South Africa yet. I don't know how long you have to live over here to become qualified, or if he has English family
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Oh I thought he had, probably geting him confused with one of the many that have played for SA or NZ or whoever and then come here as koplaks.
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Yes, that's probably true, in which case Kent are being very churlish.
i think the object of the exercise from Kent's point of view is to preserve his registration as kolpak rather than overseas
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McLaren hasn't played international cricket for SA at any senior level that I'm aware of. He would only need to be here four years to qualify for England though. But let's not kid ourselves; SA players are here for the money and because they believe that their own country is slowly going down the pan in terms of stability and economic prowess. With the current economic downturn in the West, many will clear off somewhere else just as fast. There are plenty of Aussies who play the same game in England; Andrew Symonds is a good example, Ian Harvey another, but they tend to be less willing to switch allegiances permanently, perhaps because they are more secure in the belief that their own home country won't turn into Zimbabwe and that they'll go back at some point.

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McLaren hasn't played international cricket for SA at any senior level that I'm, aware of. He would only need to be here four years to qualify for England though. But let's not kid ourselves; SA players are here for the money and because they believe that their own country is slowly going down the pan in terms of stability and economic prowess. With the current economic downturn in the West, many will clear off somewhere else just as fast. There are plenty of Aussies who play the same game in England; Andrew Symonds is a good example, Ian Harvey another, but they tend to be less willing to switch allegiances permanently, perhaps because they are more secure in the belief that their own home country won't turn into Zimbabwe and that they'll go back at some point.
In general terms, we have as many poms who emigrate here permanently. Must be for other reasons.

Would be strange if McLaren chose to represent England ahead of SA though when he's stated numerous times it was his childhood dream to represent his country.
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In general terms, we have as many poms who emigrate here permanently. Must be for other reasons.

Would be strange if McLaren chose to represent England ahead of SA though when he's stated numerous times it was his childhood dream to represent his country.
I also think though that if he is really committed to SA then he should give up playing county cricket, look for a 20/20 deal in the IPL (he'd hardly lose money that way) and a retainer from SA would leave him reasonable well off wouldn't it?
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i think the object of the exercise from Kent's point of view is to preserve his registration as kolpak rather than overseas
But surely European law wouldn't give a monkey's chuff whether he'd played for South Africa or not? If he's gaining employment rights owing to being a citizen of a country with a trade agreement with the EU then he does so regardless of whether he's played international cricket for South Africa or not. The stipulation of being a non-active international player was added by the ECB and is unenforceable.

Kent are being churlish, and while I have fewer problems with Kolpaks than many on this board, I think not releasing someone to play at the top level in order to protect your own interests is not good for the game. The ICC is disrupting New Zealand's international chances and now an insignificant fiefdom like Kent CCC is disrupting South Africa's.
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But surely European law wouldn't give a monkey's chuff whether he'd played for South Africa or not? If he's gaining employment rights owing to being a citizen of a country with a trade agreement with the EU then he does so regardless of whether he's played international cricket for South Africa or not. The stipulation of being a non-active international player was added by the ECB and is unenforceable.

Kent are being churlish, and while I have fewer problems with Kolpaks than many on this board, I think not releasing someone to play at the top level in order to protect your own interests is not good for the game. The ICC is disrupting New Zealand's international chances and now an insignificant fiefdom like Kent CCC is disrupting South Africa's.
I agree strongly with the last part. The only thing is that the EU have recently changed their definition of the trade agreement suggesting that it was services that could move rather than people. Perhaps MB or GBG (if he still remembers his former trade) could elaborate.
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I also think though that if he is really committed to SA then he should give up playing county cricket, look for a 20/20 deal in the IPL (he'd hardly lose money that way) and a retainer from SA would leave him reasonable well off wouldn't it?
That's kinda the thinking behind him taking a pay cut at Kent - he will be more than compensated.

The problem is that he's under contract for Kent for another 2 years, he can't just stop playing. I know it's pretty much what VVJ did but Mclaren likes Kent, he's done well there and improved loads while there, he doesn't want to screw them over.
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