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Old 14th February 2018, 14:54   #361
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such a matter = the decision to suspend Stokes from England duty

That wasn't in the remit of the police or the CPS.

It was in the remit of Strauss, who also announced the decision.
Ah yes, Strauss. So have you worked out why you've got it in for him, if it's not to do with KP?
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Old 14th February 2018, 21:13   #362
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Ah yes, Strauss. So have you worked out why you've got it in for him, if it's not to do with KP?
I'll criticise anyone doing a poor job.
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Old 15th February 2018, 11:14   #363
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I'll criticise anyone doing a poor job.
Yeah, right. I think you're in denial.
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Old 25th February 2018, 17:37   #364
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Dropped catches in ODIs since the two new balls in October 2011

Bowler

18 - Finn
15 - Ali
14 - Woakes
13 - Rashid
11 - Bresnan, Tredwell, Anderson, Broad,
10 - Stokes, Wood, Plunkett
9 - Jordan
7 - Dernbach, T Curran
5 - Bopara
4 - Swann, Ball
3 - Willey
2 - Meaker, Root, Topley
1 - Patel, Borthwick, Gurney

Dropped by

26 - Buttler
13 - Kieswetter, Root
9 - Morgan, Hales, Ali
8 - Woakes
7 - Tredwell, Cook, Stokes, Roy
6 - Trott
5 - Bresnan, Anderson, Finn, Bairstow
4 - Bopara, Jordan, Ball, Plunkett, Rashid
3 - Pietersen, Patel, Wood
2 - Swann, Carberry, Gurney, Bell
1 - Broad, S Curran, T Curran

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Old 27th February 2018, 13:57   #365
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Was it two that Jos shelled in the first ODI versus New Zealand? Both very straightforward chances (Latham down the leg side and Southee to his first ball).
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Old 27th February 2018, 16:39   #366
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Was it two that Jos shelled in the first ODI versus New Zealand? Both very straightforward chances (Latham down the leg side and Southee to his first ball).
I didn't see the Southee one but the Latham chance hit Lathams thigh pad as well so I wouldn't call it very straightforward.
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Old 27th February 2018, 19:25   #367
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Wasn't there a missed run out chance with Southee soon after he came in? That would have been expensive.
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Four run outs..

Taylor 10 - Willey/Buttler
De Grandhomme 38 - Bairstow/Buttler
Southee 6- Stokes/Buttler
Boult 2- Stokes/Woakes

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

Duncan Fletcher always wanted 2 runs outs per match, didn't happen much but 4 is outstanding.‏

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England have been exceptional in the field today - their fielding impact score of 86.3 is the highest of any innings in our database.

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Since the start of 2015, the batsman to be dropped the most in Tests is Alastair Cook, who's been dropped 17 times. No bowler has seen more drops off their bowling than Stuart Broad, who's seen 34 chances go down.

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Since the start of 2016, Zimbabwe drop 28% of their catches in Tests, the most in the world. New Zealand only drop 14%, making them the best catchers in the world.
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Since the start of 2015, the batsman to be dropped the most in Tests is Alastair Cook, who's been dropped 17 times. No bowler has seen more drops off their bowling than Stuart Broad, who's seen 34 chances go down.
34 drops in just over 3 years!? That seems like an awful lot.
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34 drops in just over 3 years!? That seems like an awful lot.
He's had 95 catches taken off him in that period (36 by the keeper, 59 by fielders), so they are catching 73.6%.
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He's had 95 catches taken off him in that period (36 by the keeper, 59 by fielders), so they are catching 73.6%.
that's poor, should be 90% or over.
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that's poor, should be 90% or over.
Where did you pluck that number from?

http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/sto...ing-the-misses
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Where did you pluck that number from?

http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/sto...ing-the-misses
Interesting article GBG, thanks for that. This bit caught my eye: "the best single-year result was 16.9% by South Africa in 2013, when they were the No. 1-ranked team in Tests". Coincidence? Perhaps not. The writer also has nuff respect for Chris "God" Read, though he doesn't say whether the catches that went down when Read left them for first slip were counted as Read's misses or first slip's.
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Where did you pluck that number from?

http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/sto...ing-the-misses
But 90% is significantly better than any team has done in the last 15 years by that article?
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Interesting article GBG, thanks for that. This bit caught my eye: "the best single-year result was 16.9% by South Africa in 2013, when they were the No. 1-ranked team in Tests". Coincidence? Perhaps not.
2013 would have been just after Boucher retired. So losing the best statistical keeper actually improved South Africa's overall fielding!

I think Boucher's stats benefited from South Africa having a predominantly pace based bowling attack (which is also likely to have been a factor in South Africa being no.1 ranked), but over than bowling pace instead of spin, I wonder if the biggest impact on a team's fielding performance wouldn't be by replacing the keeper with a specialist (such as a Colin Metson or Keith Piper figure who batted 10) but replacing one of the weaker fielders with more of a gun fielder. Most non-Akmal batsman-keepers are still relatively competent with the gloves so the difference in catches taken between a Prior/Bairstow/Read selected for their batting and a Russell/Foster selected for their keeping is minimal. There may actually be a greater gain by dropping a Monty Panesar for an Ashley Giles or a Vince/Stoneman for a James Taylor type.
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2013 would have been just after Boucher retired. So losing the best statistical keeper actually improved South Africa's overall fielding!

I think Boucher's stats benefited from South Africa having a predominantly pace based bowling attack (which is also likely to have been a factor in South Africa being no.1 ranked), but over than bowling pace instead of spin, I wonder if the biggest impact on a team's fielding performance wouldn't be by replacing the keeper with a specialist (such as a Colin Metson or Keith Piper figure who batted 10) but replacing one of the weaker fielders with more of a gun fielder. Most non-Akmal batsman-keepers are still relatively competent with the gloves so the difference in catches taken between a Prior/Bairstow/Read selected for their batting and a Russell/Foster selected for their keeping is minimal. There may actually be a greater gain by dropping a Monty Panesar for an Ashley Giles or a Vince/Stoneman for a James Taylor type.
That I would suggest would be very much dependent on the makeup of the team and plausible gun fielders who aren't playing. In England case having Cook and Root as our primary slip fielders really limits our chance of becoming a side that's top of the chances taken table!
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... I wonder if the biggest impact on a team's fielding performance wouldn't be by replacing the keeper with a specialist (such as a Colin Metson or Keith Piper figure who batted 10) but replacing one of the weaker fielders with more of a gun fielder. Most non-Akmal batsman-keepers are still relatively competent with the gloves so the difference in catches taken between a Prior/Bairstow/Read selected for their batting and a Russell/Foster selected for their keeping is minimal. There may actually be a greater gain by dropping a Monty Panesar for an Ashley Giles or a Vince/Stoneman for a James Taylor type.
I sometimes wonder whether Panesar's best fielding position might have been in the slips. Perhaps the best way of a team maximising its fielding potential without change in personnel would be to put the players in the positions that suit them best, rather than just putting the high-status players (i.e., the established batsmen) in the slips where they can stand around chatting all day and the low-status players in other positions where they have to run around and stuff.
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Where did you pluck that number from?

http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/sto...ing-the-misses
Misses higher than I thought but Broad has had over a quarter of chances missed of him, no wonder he's grumpy. In the article they say he and James Anderson have suffered an unusually high number of drops.
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I sometimes wonder whether Panesar's best fielding position might have been in the slips. Perhaps the best way of a team maximising its fielding potential without change in personnel would be to put the players in the positions that suit them best, rather than just putting the high-status players (i.e., the established batsmen) in the slips where they can stand around chatting all day and the low-status players in other positions where they have to run around and stuff.
I also expect Panesar's best (or at least, least worse) fielding position would be slip, but he'd still be a terrible slip.

England have had plenty of bowlers in the slips - Anderson, Stokes, Swann etc. I think it may still be more of a seniority thing than a batsman/bowler thing.
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