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Old 30th August 2017, 12:28   #341
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The logic you apply to which players' careers are deemed over is incomprehensible.
I think it's your logic that's at fault here. Please try and remain balanced and focused.

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Taylor is still there yet he will never play for England again. There is a line through Hales's name but there is talk of him being recalled, perhaps for the middle order. Hameed has so far missed out on selection this season but he's very young and when he gets back in form there's every chance he will get an England recall.
A line signifies being dropped (or whatever euphemism is de rigueur). I'm not ruling their careers over; I'm just recording the selectors' whims.

Taylor remains there, his record frozen, as he wasn't dropped (other than the earlier drop which is signified by an asterix).


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And Woakes is back, if you hadn't noticed, and made 61*.
Thank you. I'd forgotten he was in the list (he still has more fc hundreds than WIndies' hero Shai Hope). The 61* doesn't count but his first innings 28 does.

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Any interest in adding in the bowlers ? Tests since a 5fer for example ?
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I think Woakes needs to be added. 30 innings.
No, he's only been dismissed 21 times. Think he was set for a 100 before Root Athers/Hicked him.
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It was a poor innings by Bell with the bat.
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Old 6th September 2017, 10:02   #342
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Taylor remains there, his record frozen, as he wasn't dropped (other than the earlier drop which is signified by an asterix).
So he'll be on there until he dies then?

On the same basis please add Matt Prior and Andrew Strauss to the list, they weren't dropped either. And maybe Boycott, Botham and anyone else who retires before they were dropped. Or am I being silly?
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Old 6th September 2017, 13:36   #343
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So he'll be on there until he dies then?

On the same basis please add Matt Prior and Andrew Strauss to the list, they weren't dropped either. And maybe Boycott, Botham and anyone else who retires before they were dropped. Or am I being silly?
He'll still be on there after his death as the data relating to his England stint would still be valid as it is not dependent on his being alive or not.

Prior and Strauss are already on the list.
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Old 6th September 2017, 15:47   #344
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Prior and Strauss are already on the list.
Oops, my bad. I'm not seeing Nasser Hussain though.
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Old 26th November 2017, 01:34   #345
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With Root and Moeen at the crease in the second innings of the first Ashes test

Bairstow 33 (16 of which were over 45)
Ballance 29**
Prior 22
Trott 22*
Bell 19
Compton 18*
Pietersen 15
Collingwood 14*
Ali 12
Jennings 11
Lyth 10
Bopara 10**
Robson 8
Strauss 8
Morgan 7*
Cook 6
Root 4
Stokes 2

Yet to get a test hundred

Buttler 25*
Hales 21
Woakes 21***
Vince 13*
Carberry 12*
Malan 10
Taylor 10*
Patel 7**
Duckett 7
Westley 7
Stoneman 6
Hameed 5
Ansari 5
Dawson 4
Borthwick 2
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Old 6th December 2017, 18:23   #346
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With England 2-0 down I've run out of pitchforks

Bairstow 36 (and 10 since his last 50)
Ballance 29**
Prior 22
Trott 22*
Bell 19
Compton 18*
Ali 16
Pietersen 15
Collingwood 14*
Jennings 11
Lyth 10
Bopara 10**
Cook 8 (with a top-score of 37, his only score over 25 in that time)
Robson 8
Strauss 8
Morgan 7*
Root 7
Stokes 2

Yet to get a test hundred

Buttler 25*
Woakes 25***
Hales 21
Vince 15*
Carberry 12*
Malan 12
Taylor 10*
Stoneman 8 (with a topscore of 52)
Patel 7**
Duckett 7
Westley 7

Hameed 5
Ansari 5
Dawson 4
Borthwick 2
Overton C 1
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Old 15th December 2017, 17:03   #347
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Is this traditionally only updated at the conclusion of a match ?
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Old 15th December 2017, 17:38   #348
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After 1st innings at Perth

Ballance 29**
Prior 22
Trott 22*
Bell 19
Compton 18*
Ali 17
Pietersen 15
Collingwood 14*
Jennings 11
Lyth 10
Bopara 10**
Cook 9 (with a top-score of 37, his only score over 25 in that time)
Robson 8
Strauss 8
Root 8
Morgan 7*
Stokes 2
Malan
Bairstow


Yet to get a test hundred

Buttler 25*
Woakes 26***
Hales 21
Vince 16*
Carberry 12*
Taylor 10*
Stoneman 9 (with a topscore of 56)
Patel 7**
Duckett 7
Westley 7
Hameed 5
Ansari 5
Dawson 4
Borthwick 2
Overton C 2
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Old 18th December 2017, 08:53   #349
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Stick the whole lot on the list, even this week's centurions
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Old 18th December 2017, 10:32   #350
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Ballance 29**
Prior 22
Trott 22*
Bell 19
Compton 18*
Ali 18
Pietersen 15
Collingwood 14*
Jennings 11
Cook 10 (with a top-score of 37, his only score over 25 in that time)
Lyth 10
Bopara 10**
Root 9
Robson 8
Strauss 8
Morgan 7*
Stokes 2
Malan 1
Bairstow 1


Yet to get a test hundred

Woakes 27***
Buttler 25*
Hales 21
Vince 17*
Carberry 12*
Taylor 10*
Stoneman 10 (with a topscore of 56)
Patel 7**
Duckett 7
Westley 7
Hameed 5
Ansari 5
Dawson 4
Overton C 3
Borthwick 2
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Old 12th January 2018, 17:56   #351
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Post Ashes special

Ballance 29** and dropped again without playing
Prior 22
Trott 22*
Ali 20
Bell 19
Compton 18*
Pietersen 15
Collingwood 14*
Jennings 11
Root 11
Lyth 10
Bopara 10**
Robson 8
Strauss 8
Morgan 7*
Malan 4
Bairstow 4
Cook 2
Stokes 2


Yet to get a test hundred

Woakes 27***
Buttler 25*
Hales 21
Vince 20*
Stoneman 13 (with a topscore of 56)
Carberry 12*
Taylor 10*
Patel 7**
Duckett 7
Westley 7
Hameed 5
Ansari 5
Dawson 4
Overton C 3
Borthwick 2
Curran T 2
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Old 16th January 2018, 17:32   #352
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Woakes needs the pitch forks. He's more than capable of scoring test centuries.
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Old 16th January 2018, 17:55   #353
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Woakes needs the pitch forks. He's more than capable of scoring test centuries.
I suppose in deathwatch land that's what counts. But I suspect that the batting of bowlers is mainly required in order to keep them in the team over their competitors, rather than in order to contribute runs to the team's total. Many bowlers whose batting may well have contributed to their selection (Giles, Bresnan, etc.) seem to have consistently underperformed with the bat and yet retained their places. In the meantime, if we're going to have a go at Woakes, I'd want to do it on this basis:

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Yes, Giles never did much with the bat in Test matches, only a few 50’s, I think his top score wasn’t much more than 50.

He was just less worse than Hoggard, Harmison, Jones... and of course Monty. Swann was a much better batsman of course. As was Broad.

Bresnan was ok was the 4th seamer batting at 8, it is only more recently as Yorkshire’s batting has been borderline shambolic that he has needed to display that attribute for the benefit of the side.
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Old 22nd March 2018, 13:00   #355
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Ballance 29** and dropped again without playing
Prior 22
Trott 22*
Ali 21
Bell 19
Compton 18*
Pietersen 15
Collingwood 14*
Root 12
Jennings 11
Lyth 10
Bopara 10**
Robson 8
Strauss 8
Morgan 7*
Malan 5
Bairstow 5
Cook 3
Stokes 3*


Yet to get a test hundred

Woakes 28***
Buttler 25*
Hales 21
Vince 20*
Stoneman 14 (with a topscore of 56)
Carberry 12*
Taylor 10*
Patel 7**
Duckett 7
Westley 7
Hameed 5
Ansari 5
Dawson 4
Overton C 3
Borthwick 2
Curran T 2
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Old 22nd March 2018, 15:10   #356
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Yes, Giles never did much with the bat in Test matches, only a few 50’s, I think his top score wasn’t much more than 50.

He was just less worse than Hoggard, Harmison, Jones... and of course Monty. Swann was a much better batsman of course. As was Broad.

Bresnan was ok was the 4th seamer batting at 8, it is only more recently as Yorkshire’s batting has been borderline shambolic that he has needed to display that attribute for the benefit of the side.
They had quite similar averages Swann was the better bet for a quick fire 30,, Giles was better at hanging around with an established batsman. Ideally you'd like a lower order to be able to do both, but if they could they'd probably be a top order batsman.
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Overton has batted 5 times for England and top scored twice, as the number 9.

Just looked at the SA batting 5 1 3 8 3 6*

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Yes, Giles never did much with the bat in Test matches, only a few 50’s, I think his top score wasn’t much more than 50.

He was just less worse than Hoggard, Harmison, Jones... and of course Monty. Swann was a much better batsman of course. As was Broad.

Bresnan was ok was the 4th seamer batting at 8, it is only more recently as Yorkshire’s batting has been borderline shambolic that he has needed to display that attribute for the benefit of the side.
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They had quite similar averages Swann was the better bet for a quick fire 30,, Giles was better at hanging around with an established batsman. Ideally you'd like a lower order to be able to do both, but if they could they'd probably be a top order batsman.
Quite. When you compare their test and first class records, there really isn't much between them. One big difference in the test side was, I think, that for the most part Giles came in at 8 whereas Swann was at 9.
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And Swann just teed off most of the time. Giles was better at actually playing the situation.
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And Swann just teed off most of the time. Giles was better at actually playing the situation.
Unless he was up against Warney, in which case the situation didn't last very long.
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