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Old 6th June 2015, 14:58   #61
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To be completely accurate, we should know a little more about his ability in ODIs.
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Old 7th June 2015, 02:34   #62
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To be completely accurate, we should know a little more about his ability in ODIs.
True, but ODIs will be the extent of his opportunity to convince that he has the moxy to be selectable for the spinner spot in tests, given that he had his chances to impress on the tour of the West Indies and seemed to come up short.

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Old 7th June 2015, 08:51   #63
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...However, now I think he is fine at six because his batting looks good, but he can't be relied on as the fourth bowler. Therefore by having him in the side I don't think Moeen can be in as a bowler, because then you have two bowlers who are very inconsistent. For now I would drop Moeen and play Rashid, and see how Stokes get on.
Picking Stokes (or for that matter Ali) as a batsman who can also help out as a bowler is perfectly sensible - as long as they occupy a batsman's position in the order. The four front line bowlers should be just that - front line bowlers, picked to do a job with the ball. Anything they subsequently do with the bat is a nice extra - Ali should be judged as a bowler by his bowling alone - as should Rashid.
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Old 7th June 2015, 09:23   #64
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Picking Stokes (or for that matter Ali) as a batsman who can also help out as a bowler is perfectly sensible - as long as they occupy a batsman's position in the order. The four front line bowlers should be just that - front line bowlers, picked to do a job with the ball. Anything they subsequently do with the bat is a nice extra - Ali should be judged as a bowler by his bowling alone - as should Rashid.
Really not as simple as that, especially as Stokes is taking a batting slot just on his batting right now so we have three and a half fast bowlers before we consider the spinner. It's just not the case that a marginally better spinner than Ali whose batting is significantly worse would offer the side more utility. I actually don't particularly think we have a better spinner (we have steadier but less threatening, I think) but the point still holds.
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Old 7th June 2015, 10:18   #65
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To be completely accurate, we should know a little more about his ability in ODIs.
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True, but ODIs will be the extent of his opportunity to convince that he has the moxy to be selectable for the spinner spot in tests, given that he had his chances to impress on the tour of the West Indies and seemed to come up short.
How he performed in a four day championship match would be a better measure of Rashid's suitability for a test call up.

I don't believe he was selected for any of the tests in the West Indies.
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Old 7th June 2015, 12:39   #66
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How he performed in a four day championship match would be a better measure of Rashid's suitability for a test call up.

I don't believe he was selected for any of the tests in the West Indies.
Rashid has been playing championship cricket for nearly a decade now and has started this season relatively well. He was also called up but not used in a test tour this April. The selectors would know from that whether he's good enough technically for a test call up. What is less apparent is his mental aptitude for the international game, which an ODI series might reveal.
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Mental aptitude is a very grey area. It would seem to me to be more sensible to call up a player to the form of cricket to which his abilities are more suited, in Rashid's case, test cricket.

If he doesn't perform well in the ODIs, could it be simply put down to mental aptitude? Perhaps, but I doubt it. More likely it would be due to the constant need to score runs in the ODI format and a new, slow bowler being targeted.
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Mental aptitude is a very grey area. It would seem to me to be more sensible to call up a player to the form of cricket to which his abilities are more suited, in Rashid's case, test cricket.

If he doesn't perform well in the ODIs, could it be simply put down to mental aptitude? Perhaps, but I doubt it. More likely it would be due to the constant need to score runs in the ODI format and a new, slow bowler being targeted.
No matter how well Rashid bowls Inexpect he will go at over six, maybe even seven, runs an over. Moeen would probably be more expensive if he had played as the Kiwis would have targeted him. Rashid will be expensive and then the selectors can say they gave him a chance and he wasn't up to it, disregarding it is not his preferred format. Moeen should be pleased to be sitting this series out.
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... Rashid will be expensive and then the selectors can say they gave him a chance and he wasn't up to it ...
Do you also think that perhaps the Powers that Be have had a word with Essex and told them not to pick Monty until further notice?
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Do you also think that perhaps the Powers that Be have had a word with Essex and told them not to pick Monty until further notice?
No, I just think it is unfair giving Rashid a chance in ODIs when he is far better in the longer format of the game. He should have played against the West Indies.
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Do you also think that perhaps the Powers that Be have had a word with Essex and told them not to pick Monty until further notice?
Seriously? What rubbish.
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Mental aptitude is a very grey area. It would seem to me to be more sensible to call up a player to the form of cricket to which his abilities are more suited, in Rashid's case, test cricket.

If he doesn't perform well in the ODIs, could it be simply put down to mental aptitude? Perhaps, but I doubt it. More likely it would be due to the constant need to score runs in the ODI format and a new, slow bowler being targeted.
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Seriously? What rubbish.
No, not seriously. I thought that CDogg was coming across a bit paranoid, so I asked that in jest. Luckily, he said no. But by all means, if you do hear or make up anything ludicrous regarding Monty Panesar, please feel free in the first instance to assume that I believe it.

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No, I just think it is unfair giving Rashid a chance in ODIs when he is far better in the longer format of the game. He should have played against the West Indies.
I agree with the second sentence here. But I don't see how his suitability or otherwise for test cricket has any bearing on whether it is "fair" or not to pick him in the ODI squad.
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I agree with the second sentence here. But I don't see how his suitability or otherwise for test cricket has any bearing on whether it is "fair" or not to pick him in the ODI squad.
There are better one day spinners around. England's habit of blooding potential test players in ODI's.
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There are better one day spinners around. England's habit of blooding potential test players in ODI's.
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Do you also think that perhaps the Powers that Be have had a word with Essex and told them not to pick Monty until further notice?
I'd imagine that Essex made that decision unaided.
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A non-cricket query:

Is his surname Moeen or Ali? I've heard some commentators call him Moeen and others Ali.
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A non-cricket query:

Is his surname Moeen or Ali? I've heard some commentators call him Moeen and others Ali.
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I think the disappointing aspect about Moeen is how neither his batting or bowling has improved. In fact his bowling has gone backwards,throwing up more and more filth each game, and he keeps getting out to bad shots.

When he came into the England side the commentators loved to tell us about his appetite to learn and his cool head. Neither are in evidence currently.
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