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Old 16th February 2018, 16:12   #1701
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I was shocked that Rashid will no longer be playing red ball cricket for Yorkshire. ...
I was too. Had his England (and to some extent, county) career been properly managed, the longer form of the game would always have been Rashid's stronger suit.

Presumably, it's a decision he's not taken lightly. Good luck to him.
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Old 16th February 2018, 16:19   #1702
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My own feeling is that Rashid has had a bit of a raw deal. He bowled pretty decently in South Asia last winter up until the last couple of tests when the nutty 7 tests in 2 months caught up with him as did for quite a number of others. He also wasn't helped when in the Mumbai test he was asked to bowl a very long spell (29 overs I think). It wasn't surprising that his performance dipped markedly in his last 2 tests that winter.

Sure he certainly didn't bowl great on the UAE tour back in 2015 but Ali's own travails away from home ever since he started his test career haven't ever really come into focus until now and his utterly disastrous winter. I can't help feeling that also it is well known Rashid and Root don't get on so he has little reason for playing first class cricket if some good performances aren't going to be rewarded with a potential test call-up.
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Old 16th February 2018, 16:36   #1703
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I was too. Had his England (and to some extent, county) career been properly managed, the longer form of the game would always have been Rashid's stronger suit.

Presumably, it's a decision he's not taken lightly. Good luck to him.
Now I read it's only for 2018 and he will see how he goes. Yorks do want him for the red ball.

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Old 16th February 2018, 19:23   #1704
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My own feeling is that Rashid has had a bit of a raw deal. He bowled pretty decently in South Asia last winter up until the last couple of tests when the nutty 7 tests in 2 months caught up with him as did for quite a number of others. He also wasn't helped when in the Mumbai test he was asked to bowl a very long spell (29 overs I think). It wasn't surprising that his performance dipped markedly in his last 2 tests that winter.

Sure he certainly didn't bowl great on the UAE tour back in 2015 but Ali's own travails away from home ever since he started his test career haven't ever really come into focus until now and his utterly disastrous winter. I can't help feeling that also it is well known Rashid and Root don't get on so he has little reason for playing first class cricket if some good performances aren't going to be rewarded with a potential test call-up.
It'd be pretty disappointing if players aren't available for selection because they don't get on with the captain.
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Old 16th February 2018, 19:25   #1705
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Now I read it's only for 2018 and he will see how he goes. Yorks do want him for the red ball.

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I doubt Yorkshire are particularly happy as it must leave them with only Azeem Rafiq as a spinner as far as I can see. He also helped balance the team.
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Old 16th February 2018, 21:36   #1706
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I doubt Yorkshire are particularly happy as it must leave them with only Azeem Rafiq as a spinner as far as I can see. He also helped balance the team.
I think a lack of a spinner will be the issue, Rafiq only really plays white ball cricket for Yorkshire now doesn't he?

While Rashids batting is a plus, Yorkshire don't really have a weak tail in his absence.
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Old 16th February 2018, 23:44   #1707
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Yorkshire will struggle to replace the 10 Wickets adil took in 7 matches last year at an average of 50 economy of almost five. Either that or Kane Williamson will be more threatening and economical.
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It'd be pretty disappointing if players aren't available for selection because they don't get on with the captain.
Remember though that Root's vetoing of Rashid happened before it became clear that almost every time Root has an idea it is bad one. I would expect the selectors to become progressively less and less tolerant of the captain's preferences.
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Old 18th February 2018, 20:15   #1709
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Was it not too long ago that Shane Warne stated his appreciation of Rashid, his ability to bowl a good variety of deliveries and noted his future potential ?
For me he should have been in the Ashes squad and test team, yes he will sometimes get some tap but at least he can bowl wicket taking balls unlike several of the bowlers who were chosen.
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Was it not too long ago that Shane Warne stated his appreciation of Rashid, his ability to bowl a good variety of deliveries and noted his future potential ?
For me he should have been in the Ashes squad and test team, yes he will sometimes get some tap but at least he can bowl wicket taking balls unlike several of the bowlers who were chosen.
Warne says the same about all leggies though, I reckon I could go down the nets in Southampton attempt some legspin and Warne would big me up to sky sports!

He should have been in the squad and replaced Ali when he wasn't fit (2nd and 3rd tests I think or maybe 3rd and 4th). I don't think he's a great wicket taking option in test cricket though but probably the best we had spin wise.
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Was it not too long ago that Shane Warne stated his appreciation of Rashid, his ability to bowl a good variety of deliveries and noted his future potential ?
For me he should have been in the Ashes squad and test team, yes he will sometimes get some tap but at least he can bowl wicket taking balls unlike several of the bowlers who were chosen.
At the same time whenever I heard Warne commentate on Rashid live, he sounded less than impressed, particularly about Rashid’s overuse of his googly.
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Old 19th February 2018, 11:16   #1712
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Was it not too long ago that Shane Warne stated his appreciation of Rashid, his ability to bowl a good variety of deliveries and noted his future potential ?
For me he should have been in the Ashes squad and test team, yes he will sometimes get some tap but at least he can bowl wicket taking balls unlike several of the bowlers who were chosen.
Yes, Warne's appreciation of Rashid's (test) potential was quite sincere, I think. It was also shared by many others.

The selectors' failure to direct it towards development in the longer form of the game was a real mistake. Their decision to push him forward in white ball cricket, which puts very different demands upon a leg spinner, effectively denied him the opportunity to fulfil his potential in test match cricket.

Rashid, of course, had no option but to follow the only career path left open to him and, however successful he becomes in white ball cricket, there will always be the feeling that a little more wisdom on the part of the selectors may have led to a far more glittering career.

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"Warne" and "sincere" are two words I never expected to see in the same sentence.
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Yes, Warne's appreciation of Rashid's (test) potential was quite sincere, I think. It was also shared by many others.

The selectors' failure to direct it towards development in the longer form of the game was a real mistake. Their decision to push him forward in white ball cricket, which puts very different demands upon a leg spinner, effectively denied him the opportunity to fulfil his potential in test match cricket.

Rashid, of course, had no option but to follow the only career path left open to him and, however successful he becomes in white ball cricket, there will always be the feeling that a little more wisdom on the part of the selectors may have led to a far more glittering career.
I agree with this. Rashid will hopefully prosper in white ball cricket. He has probably lost his chance in the long form of the game. Partly, he is a victim of the muddle the game is currently experiencing.
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So what did we think of Leach? Obviously he didn't bowl them out so should be dropped, although his test batting average is about what we want which might keep him in.

It was nice to look at the scorecard and see a proper, obvious spinner on there - way more overs than anyone else and an economy rate of below 2. We've said for a while that even just a spinner who can keep it tight would be a real asset, so the signs in that direction are promising. I didn't get to see too much of his bowling but what I did see last night looked good, beat the bat several times. Cautiously optimistic that he might be a useful test player if given a chance, although obviously it's incredibly early.

The caveat of being given a chance is probably the greater issue. That said, Root has captained 14 games in total, none in the subcontinent, and tried three alternatives to Moeen in that time - and the initial Dawson experiment was ended when Moeen bowled like Murali against SA. Perhaps an indication that we are a bit more receptive to non-Moeen slow bowling options than before.
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So what did we think of Leach? Obviously he didn't bowl them out so should be dropped, although his test batting average is about what we want which might keep him in.

It was nice to look at the scorecard and see a proper, obvious spinner on there - way more overs than anyone else and an economy rate of below 2. We've said for a while that even just a spinner who can keep it tight would be a real asset, so the signs in that direction are promising. I didn't get to see too much of his bowling but what I did see last night looked good, beat the bat several times. Cautiously optimistic that he might be a useful test player if given a chance, although obviously it's incredibly early.

The caveat of being given a chance is probably the greater issue. That said, Root has captained 14 games in total, none in the subcontinent, and tried three alternatives to Moeen in that time - and the initial Dawson experiment was ended when Moeen bowled like Murali against SA. Perhaps an indication that we are a bit more receptive to non-Moeen slow bowling options than before.
I thought he bowled intelligently with a good variation in flight, change of pace and accuracy and did appear to give the ball a reasonable rag. I doubt we are looking at the real Swann successor but that is unrealistic. Conventional finger spin rarely finishes off sides when there isn't a whole heap of turn in any case. For me he at least deserves a go in the initial home matches and he wasn't the rabbit with the bat that some had claimed he would be, although that for me wasn't much of an issue for his selection. That Moeen had been a poor performer away from home over his career and his batting had dropped off was a reason that Leach needed to get a go.
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So what did we think of Leach? Obviously he didn't bowl them out so should be dropped, although his test batting average is about what we want which might keep him in.

It was nice to look at the scorecard and see a proper, obvious spinner on there - way more overs than anyone else and an economy rate of below 2. We've said for a while that even just a spinner who can keep it tight would be a real asset, so the signs in that direction are promising. I didn't get to see too much of his bowling but what I did see last night looked good, beat the bat several times. Cautiously optimistic that he might be a useful test player if given a chance, although obviously it's incredibly early.

The caveat of being given a chance is probably the greater issue. That said, Root has captained 14 games in total, none in the subcontinent, and tried three alternatives to Moeen in that time - and the initial Dawson experiment was ended when Moeen bowled like Murali against SA. Perhaps an indication that we are a bit more receptive to non-Moeen slow bowling options than before.
Well he did "ok" - but obviously not enough to shut the debate down.

But remember the previous rules - there has to be an "outstanding candidate" taking lots of wickets in county cricket to dislodge him from the team - so those alternative division 1 spinners need to take a lot of wickets to stop him getting another go vs Pakistan.

Division 2 spinners naturally will have to take an unprecedented amount of wickets to get to the same place.
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I haven't seen any of this test but I note Leach unsurprisingly has a test bowling average over 50 and there's a lack of posts from Sir Virgs.
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I thought he bowled intelligently with a good variation in flight, change of pace and accuracy and did appear to give the ball a reasonable rag. I doubt we are looking at the real Swann successor but that is unrealistic. Conventional finger spin rarely finishes off sides when there isn't a whole heap of turn in any case. For me he at least deserves a go in the initial home matches and he wasn't the rabbit with the bat that some had claimed he would be, although that for me wasn't much of an issue for his selection. That Moeen had been a poor performer away from home over his career and his batting had dropped off was a reason that Leach needed to get a go.
I'd pretty much agree with the summary. The game situation here meant New Zealand were never in a position to really go after him. I'd like to see him get the first 2 tests of the summer and you'd imagine at some point in that period he will get the chance to show how he can bowl when batsmen are looking to put him under pressure. He reminded me a bit of some of the spinners from the 80s who did well in India but struggled to hold down a place when they got home. I'm sure he showed enough to be given a couple more games.
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I thought he did OK and, as such, he should be given the Pakistan series at the very least.
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