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Old 26th April 2017, 14:01   #81
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James Whitaker, the England national selector, has expressed his disappointment after Mason Crane was left out of Hampshire's side for the first three County Championship matches of the season.
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Old 26th April 2017, 14:23   #82
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James Whitaker, the England national selector, has expressed his disappointment after Mason Crane was left out of Hampshire's side for the first three County Championship matches of the season.
I agree with the bit about the system, you can't really blame a sports team for trying to win matches. It was obvious what the impact would be on spin bowling as soon as the new format for fixtures was announced. There's also less room for experimentation if you have fewer games. The bottom line is that nearly a quarter of the way through the fixtures they are third and not far behind the leaders.
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I agree with the bit about the system, you can't really blame a sports team for trying to win matches. It was obvious what the impact would be on spin bowling as soon as the new format for fixtures was announced. There's also less room for experimentation if you have fewer games. The bottom line is that nearly a quarter of the way through the fixtures they are third and not far behind the leaders.
New South Wales managed to experiment with Crane, and they have even fewer games.
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Old 26th April 2017, 15:10   #84
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New South Wales managed to experiment with Crane, and they have even fewer games.
They also had fewer spinners available as both theirs were playing India. There is a big difference between Sydney at the end of the Aussie summer and early April in England. New South Wales picked a player for a couple of specific games in specific conditions because they didn't have their own spinners available because they thought he would be the best bet to help win those games. They certainly weren't trying to help English cricket or develop Crane they just thought he was the best available player in those conditions. If they were trying to develop a young spinner I'm sure their are quite a few Aussies playing grade cricket they could have used.
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Old 26th April 2017, 15:45   #85
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James Whitaker, the England national selector, has expressed his disappointment after Mason Crane was left out of Hampshire's side for the first three County Championship matches of the season.
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" the club have utilised three Kolpak players so far this season and also left out talented young batsmen Tom Alsop at times"

I thought the ECB cash was weighted towards counties that played England eligible players ?

Hampshire have only won 1 out of 3 games - suggest they need a bit more firepower.
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Old 26th April 2017, 17:55   #86
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" the club have utilised three Kolpak players so far this season and also left out talented young batsmen Tom Alsop at times"

I thought the ECB cash was weighted towards counties that played England eligible players ?

Hampshire have only won 1 out of 3 games - suggest they need a bit more firepower.
Hampshire were lucky not to be relegated, they've played 3 games against teams who finished in the top 3. They've won one and come close in the other 2. Last year they would have lost all 3. If I was a Hampshire fan I'd be very happy. I suspect the coaching staff prefer their win or draw bonus to the club collecting a couple of grand for playing someone they don't think is right for the conditions. Abbott is different as he is quality. As for the other 2 I've no real idea, but there is a credible line of thought that if they raise the level in the domestic game it will better prepare players to step up at international level.
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Hampshire were lucky not to be relegated, they've played 3 games against teams who finished in the top 3. They've won one and come close in the other 2. Last year they would have lost all 3. If I was a Hampshire fan I'd be very happy. I suspect the coaching staff prefer their win or draw bonus to the club collecting a couple of grand for playing someone they don't think is right for the conditions. Abbott is different as he is quality. As for the other 2 I've no real idea, but there is a credible line of thought that if they raise the level in the domestic game it will better prepare players to step up at international level.
With a better spinner Hampshire might have won 3 out of 3 though.
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With a better spinner Hampshire might have won 3 out of 3 though.
Maybe they would but the big difference in their team this year is they have a much better seam attack and possibly a marginally stronger batting line up. Last year they had a better spin attack and we're losing now they are drawing and winning. They could drop a seamer or a batsman, maybe they'd be stronger maybe not. My personal view is in April a 4th seamer is more useful than a spinner. Hampshire's coaching staff obviously think that way. I suspect they would have bowled Yorkshire out in the second innings if Crane had played but wouldn't have bowled them out so cheaply in the first if they'd only had 3 seamers so might not have made them follow on.
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I'd like to see Crane get game time and there clearly is a problem, as there has been for years, in the way the county game supports the development of spin bowling. It's very speculative indeed to suggest that he'd have won games for them on April pitches though. Sure, he may be a better bowler than Rashid eventually or possibly even already (Rashid isn't that good, in my view) but I think he'd have been rather more likely to have been hit around by the Yorkshire batting on a track where Rashid got bad figures than to have run through them.
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I'd like to see Crane get game time and there clearly is a problem, as there has been for years, in the way the county game supports the development of spin bowling. It's very speculative indeed to suggest that he'd have won games for them on April pitches though. Sure, he may be a better bowler than Rashid eventually or possibly even already (Rashid isn't that good, in my view) but I think he'd have been rather more likely to have been hit around by the Yorkshire batting on a track where Rashid got bad figures than to have run through them.
If they'd got to the same position after the first innings with 3 seamers and Crane then Yorkshire wouldn't have been in a position to risk hitting him around the park. I should probably have said they would have had more chance of winning in that situation, although the main point of my post was they wouldn't have bowled Yorkshire out so cheaply in the first innings with only 3 seamers. My personal gripe is structuring the season how they have then there are going to be few games when the climate really gives a spinner much of a chance to play.
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If they'd got to the same position after the first innings with 3 seamers and Crane then Yorkshire wouldn't have been in a position to risk hitting him around the park. I should probably have said they would have had more chance of winning in that situation, although the main point of my post was they wouldn't have bowled Yorkshire out so cheaply in the first innings with only 3 seamers. My personal gripe is structuring the season how they have then there are going to be few games when the climate really gives a spinner much of a chance to play.
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Crane playing today in the 50 over comp

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Crane playing today in the 50 over comp

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Was outbowled by Liam Dawson.
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Was outbowled by Liam Dawson.
Crane, Dawson and Ali all having good days with the ball.
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Atherton was talking up Liam Livingstone yesterday. He also said 'everyone is talking about Josh Tongue of Worcestershire'. Might be one to keep an eye on.

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Sky are showing Hants v Middlesex on wednesday, hopefully he'll play in that one as well.

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Haseeb Hameed 52 not out on his list A debut.
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Hameed made 88, and Sam Curran is ripping through Somerset's top order. The future is bright.

Foakes made 92, I really hope he or Simpson are chosen as back up keeper for the Ashes.
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Whereas Haseeb Hameed has been a bit hit and miss so far this season Keaton Jennings has been very impressive.

6, 71, 28, 102*, 87, 30*, 79 and 139 are his score in all competitions.

Nice to see Ben Stokes make a ton in the IPL yesterday too.
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Whereas Haseeb Hameed has been a bit hit and miss so far this season Keaton Jennings has been very impressive.

6, 71, 28, 102*, 87, 30*, 79 and 139 are his score in all competitions.

Nice to see Ben Stokes make a ton in the IPL yesterday too.
I always like to see players dominate county cricket on their return from their first taste of international cricket.

Jennings has been very impressive so far this season: playing like an international.
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