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Old 6th June 2007, 21:32   #41
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I meant who else will go on tour
What you want the whole 11? Look I have no idea. I'm only theorising about a potential 2 spinners in a 5 man setup and who it might be.

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GBH and Anderson are both in double figures
Harmison only just. Andersons 'double figure' average is not all it seems. Its beefed up by a very large number of not outs since he is #11.
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Dalyrymple or Yardy???? Blimey.
I'm not saying its my choice. Lets just get that cleared up

I'm guessing at what they might consider for a Sri Lankan tour. If they want 2 spinners who would be the 2nd? Well Yardy and Dalrymple are in the performance squad. I don't know of any other 'spinners' in county cricket who can bat either.

Point taken about their FC averages Rey, but funnily enough they do have better ODI and List A records, presumably because that is where they actually bowl more often?
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Old 6th June 2007, 21:37   #43
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I think ea2009 was asking who your third spinner would be. We took three last time

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funnily enough they do have better ODI and List A records, presumably because that is where they actually bowl more often?
We're talking about ODIs now?
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Old 6th June 2007, 21:42   #44
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A 3rd spinner? Christ I had trouble enough thinking about who a 2nd would be .. Udal too old really at 38 .. Keedy I guess .. which bowler would miss out I have no idea ..

Nah I'm not talking about one day games I just find it interesting that their List A records are substantially better than their FC records. Especially Yardy.
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Yardy's darts are a lot more useful in the one-day rather than the four-day stuff. Although he out-bowled Rashid on the recent A tour to Bangladesh.....
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Well then in truth we don't really have any spinner batsmen who are good enough in the longer format. In which case I personally would simply stick with our status quo bowling line up for that tour or bring in someone like Keedy who is a specialist spinner and drop one of the seamers.
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If Yardy or Dalrymple tour Sri Lanka, I'm cancelling my Sky subscription.
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About Rashid's batting, he was selected for the 1st team as a batsman, on the strength of a big hundred for the academy. When nothing was happening for the fast bowlers he was thrown the ball as a change, and the rest is history.
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50 v Kent.

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What you want the whole 11? Look I have no idea. I'm only theorising about a potential 2 spinners in a 5 man setup and who it might be.



Harmison only just. Andersons 'double figure' average is not all it seems. Its beefed up by a very large number of not outs since he is #11.
No, we were talking about Rashid going on tour. You mentioned two spinners, but three will go to SL. If not Rashid who will be the third?

EDIT: Seen the later posts now!

3 will tour, so Monty, Dally and Rashid for me.
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If Rashid is as good as people keep saying then he is a must for Sri Lanka.
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If Rashid is as good as people keep saying then he is a must for Sri Lanka.
I completely agree. Quite simply, the clear absence of a decent alternative second spinner makes it almost impossible for him not to tour if he continues to have a decent season
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You wouldn't want the guys confidence being battered in Sri Lanka, by the Lankans who are fine players of spin. But what if Monty and Rashid bowl in tandem, i think this would make Monty more defensive and he might as well have to be defensive in order for Rashid to be the wicket taking option.
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The two next best spinners after Panesar (in no particular order) are Brown and Keedy, neither of whom can bat.
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The two next best spinners after Panesar (in no particular order) are Brown and Keedy, neither of whom can bat.
Neither is international class though and playing two non batting spinners seems a bit steep when not many of the fast bowlers can bat either. I suppose one of them could tour as cover for Monty but not really with the intention of playing both of them. Monty, Rashid and Brown would probably be my 3 but there's a good case for someone really awful like Dalrymyle or Yardy and that would at least save cb a bit of cash for his Sky subs.
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Neither is international class though and playing two non batting spinners seems a bit steep when not many of the fast bowlers can bat either. I suppose one of them could tour as cover for Monty but not really with the intention of playing both of them. Monty, Rashid and Brown would probably be my 3 but there's a good case for someone really awful like Dalrymyle or Yardy and that would at least save cb a bit of cash for his Sky subs.
I really can see no point taking three anyway - esp as finding two is so hard.
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I really can see no point taking three anyway - esp as finding two is so hard.
It depends on whether the selectors feel that England will have to play 2 spinners on occasion. Of course, not having a plausible second spinner will make it difficult to imagine that will be correct except on the burniest of Bunsens. Still, some extremely burny Bunsens might be anticipated. A lot also depends on the likely overall balance of the side, otherwise known as whether Flintoff is fit. If England is able to play 5 bowlers with Flintoff fit then fitting Rashid in to bowl and bat at 8 without having to drop down to just 2 fast bowlers then the third spinner in the squad seems more sensible.
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I have mentioned him JD but his batting isnt the best is it
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It depends on whether the selectors feel that England will have to play 2 spinners on occasion. Of course, not having a plausible second spinner will make it difficult to imagine that will be correct except on the burniest of Bunsens. Still, some extremely burny Bunsens might be anticipated. A lot also depends on the likely overall balance of the side, otherwise known as whether Flintoff is fit. If England is able to play 5 bowlers with Flintoff fit then fitting Rashid in to bowl and bat at 8 without having to drop down to just 2 fast bowlers then the third spinner in the squad seems more sensible.
They've always gone for two spinners in Sri Lankan tests. Given the figures of Batty last time, Im not sure if this is wise unless the number two is quality. Which is why I wouldnt take a number three.
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