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Old 29th May 2017, 11:39   #101
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Time for David Willey to show why Northants batted him at the top of the order for so long.
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Old 29th May 2017, 11:47   #102
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Not sure it's going to make much difference the way this is going.... At least it gives our tail a chance to have a bat, just a slight problem that they're unlikely to be playing in the CT anyway.

Good cheer for a full blooded block from YJB :-)
Bit behind the action. Morgan's fault for losing the toss as this is a typical morning at Lords. I can remember a few one day finals like this. The team batting first gets skittled and the team batting second knocks off the runs in a few overs.
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Old 29th May 2017, 12:01   #103
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Buttler gone too. Wtf is wrong with them? Stop flashing at it outside off and play 10 overs like it's a test. Our first choice top 6, near enough, too. Not like the changes should have affected the top order.
I think the personnel changes would probably affect the whole team, as they signal loud and clear that this is a game England don't mind losing. It's perhaps not coincidental that all the players who've been out during this dismal collapse will almost certainly be in England's team on Thursday, whereas the two currently at the crease, who seem to have stemmed the collapse somewhat (touch wood ... they've doubled the score, at least), potentially have something to gain from performing well today.
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Old 29th May 2017, 12:03   #104
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Bit behind the action. Morgan's fault for losing the toss as this is a typical morning at Lords. I can remember a few one day finals like this. The team batting first gets skittled and the team batting second knocks off the runs in a few overs.
I always remember this one, although it was a collapse from the side chasing that day

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=odPAT1ZDS-E

Perhaps even more famous might be the 1999 world cup final when the Aussies steam-rollered Pakistan.
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Good cheer for a full blooded block from YJB :-)
Thought that was for avoiding the hat-trick
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Old 29th May 2017, 12:11   #106
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The rain forecast for this afternoon might not matter.
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Old 29th May 2017, 12:23   #107
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The rain forecast for this afternoon might not matter.
Bat time and see what happens. Barstow has a chance to put real pressure on Roy.
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Old 29th May 2017, 12:25   #108
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Would Bairstow open or would they rejig the order? I'm not keen on Buttler opening as he is best as a finisher.
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Well it won't be our lowest ever score but I reckon we'll do well to get over 120
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Old 29th May 2017, 12:56   #110
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TRJ treating this SA attack with the disdain it deserves :-)
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TRJ treating this SA attack with the disdain it deserves :-)
Going to be interested to see how quickly he bowls. The last couple of times I've seen him he's looked a yard quicker. My guess is he's similar to Woakes. Very useful cricketer and the sort of character Bayliss will like.
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very irresponsible from Willey.
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Going to be interested to see how quickly he bowls. The last couple of times I've seen him he's looked a yard quicker. My guess is he's similar to Woakes. Very useful cricketer and the sort of character Bayliss will like.
I'm looking forward to seeing us bowl in these conditions, I haven't seen TRJ this season but thought the same about being a Bayliss character when he got called up last year.
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Well we have nipped out a couple of wickets, but it is too little too late in all likelihood. I don't like how England approached this game today, starting from the very top - it smacked of complacency, since the series was already won.

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You can understand that to an extent but a bit unfair on the paying public and the bowlers trying to impress but having to defend such a small total
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Well injury niggles aside I think our starting bowling lineup is sorted for the CT with Wood, Plunkett and Woakes all doing well with Willey and Ball not looking in good nick.
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... Morgan's fault for losing the toss as this is a typical morning at Lords. I can remember a few one day finals like this. The team batting first gets skittled and the team batting second knocks off the runs in a few overs.
To be fair I thought it could have been a good game had England played sensibly at the start instead of throwing their wickets away. Ironically, of all the pitches in this series this was the one on which England's batting policy -- of keeping wickets in hand in the first half of the innings and scoring the vast bulk of the runs in the second half -- would have been most appropriate, and yet it's the only one on which they failed to execute it.

Morgan and Bayliss have both been talking rubbish, but of contrasting types:
“I don’t think it was a one-day international wicket to be honest,” said Morgan ... Asked if he was confident they would not have similar pitches in the upcoming tournament, he said: “I’d be disappointed if we did because any side that bats first has the potential to lose the game on the toss and in a major tournament it would be hard to take. It makes it one-sided, which I don’t think is good for anybody.”

Bayliss put England’s top-order collapse in Monday’s dead-rubber against South Africa – where they became the first side to lose six wickets in the first five overs of a one-day international – down to playing too “tentatively”, a diagnosis that may appear counter-intuitive given some of the aggressive driving that caused a number of downfalls on a green Lord’s surface.
The sad thing is that these days as soon as there's anything like a fair contest between bat and ball in an ODI, the bat simply refuses to compete.
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To be fair I thought it could have been a good game had England played sensibly at the start instead of throwing their wickets away. Ironically, of all the pitches in this series this was the one on which England's batting policy -- of keeping wickets in hand in the first half of the innings and scoring the vast bulk of the runs in the second half -- would have been most appropriate, and yet it's the only one on which they failed to execute it.

Morgan and Bayliss have both been talking rubbish, but of contrasting types:
“I don’t think it was a one-day international wicket to be honest,” said Morgan ... Asked if he was confident they would not have similar pitches in the upcoming tournament, he said: “I’d be disappointed if we did because any side that bats first has the potential to lose the game on the toss and in a major tournament it would be hard to take. It makes it one-sided, which I don’t think is good for anybody.”

Bayliss put England’s top-order collapse in Monday’s dead-rubber against South Africa – where they became the first side to lose six wickets in the first five overs of a one-day international – down to playing too “tentatively”, a diagnosis that may appear counter-intuitive given some of the aggressive driving that caused a number of downfalls on a green Lord’s surface.
The sad thing is that these days as soon as there's anything like a fair contest between bat and ball in an ODI, the bat simply refuses to compete.
Agree top cricketers should be able to adapt to the conditions. Some of the ODI team are old fashioned flat-track bullies. After a while an uneven contest becomes a little dull.
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To be fair I thought it could have been a good game had England played sensibly at the start instead of throwing their wickets away. Ironically, of all the pitches in this series this was the one on which England's batting policy -- of keeping wickets in hand in the first half of the innings and scoring the vast bulk of the runs in the second half -- would have been most appropriate, and yet it's the only one on which they failed to execute it.

Morgan and Bayliss have both been talking rubbish, but of contrasting types:
“I don’t think it was a one-day international wicket to be honest,” said Morgan ... Asked if he was confident they would not have similar pitches in the upcoming tournament, he said: “I’d be disappointed if we did because any side that bats first has the potential to lose the game on the toss and in a major tournament it would be hard to take. It makes it one-sided, which I don’t think is good for anybody.”

Bayliss put England’s top-order collapse in Monday’s dead-rubber against South Africa – where they became the first side to lose six wickets in the first five overs of a one-day international – down to playing too “tentatively”, a diagnosis that may appear counter-intuitive given some of the aggressive driving that caused a number of downfalls on a green Lord’s surface.
The sad thing is that these days as soon as there's anything like a fair contest between bat and ball in an ODI, the bat simply refuses to compete.
Yeah sounded like a load of twaddle especially Morgans comments, if the weather had have been like the week before then it would have probably been a 270-300 wicket, the surface certainly didn't look green on TV and bowlers should be given something to work with in any case.

I suppose our batsman weren't helped by the fact that our bowlers were significantly weaker batsman than normal (although Willey, TRJ and Ball did as well as or better than could be expected).
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