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Old 2nd June 2017, 13:25   #41
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Yeah they've been pretty consistent in picking 6 front line bowlers that only changed when neither Stokes and Woakes were playing I don't see that them moving away from that especially when a couple of our bowlers have niggles.
Jake Ball played, sure enough, but went round the park for 8 per over. Worryingly, Chris Woakes tweaked his side after just 2 overs.
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Old 2nd June 2017, 15:54   #42
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Jake Ball played, sure enough, but went round the park for 8 per over. Worryingly, Chris Woakes tweaked his side after just 2 overs.
Yeah didn't think he would start I said in the SA vs Eng thread that he looked out of nick, oh well.

New Zealand really throwing away their innings after a great start and middle. Williamson not reacting to a call and getting run out really started the slide.

Not a bad total but it looks a great pitch (although probably more suited to NZ's bowlers than Australias).
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Old 2nd June 2017, 18:35   #43
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'A replacement for England's Champions Trophy squad is expected to be named late on Saturday after England Lions - who include two contenders in Steven Finn and Tom Curran - complete their second one-day match against South Africa A'.

Somehow I can't see England giving a debut in the CT. Finn with all his experience most likely.
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Old 2nd June 2017, 18:52   #44
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I do wish they're give Broad a call-up, even if just for the Eng-Aus match
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What happens now with NZ vs Aus? It says "no result" on the Beeb, but surely they need a winner?
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Old 3rd June 2017, 09:22   #46
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What happens now with NZ vs Aus? It says "no result" on the Beeb, but surely they need a winner?
It's a group game, so it'll be shared points.

Think they could look to make ODIs live after 15 overs rather than 20, although that wouldn't have helped last night.
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It's a group game, so it'll be shared points. ...
Oh. I thought the whole point about this competition was that it's a knockout. Obviously I was wrong ...
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Old 3rd June 2017, 13:07   #48
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Oh. I thought the whole point about this competition was that it's a knockout. Obviously I was wrong ...
India vs Pakistan at Edgbaston is a tasty prospect, but this format there is even a possibility they could meet in the Final.
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Old 4th June 2017, 08:23   #49
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Somehow I can't see England giving a debut in the CT. Finn with all his experience most likely.
I'm not so convinced they'll go with Finn, always seems on the fringe and was quite expensive in a couple of the Lions games - 3/54 off 7 overs and 2/49 off 8.3 overs with 4 of his 5 wickets lower order (7-11)

TRJ did enough with bat and ball to make me think they might lean towards him, if they are going to try and maintain some kind of 'balance' in the batting order if they're to include Ball, Wood or similar bowlers not really up to much with the bat.

England did rather overload the squad with keepers so the four that didn't play are Bairstow, Billings, Willey and Rashid, the latter two are not bad with the bat, but I'm unconvinced they'd be wanting them batting as high as #8 nor do I think they'll want six bowlers in the squad that England would want batting 9-11 under most circumstances - Finn, Wood, Ball, Rashid, Willey, and Plunkett.

Might not be Curran they call up, could conceivably go with Dawson but I'm sure they'd prefer as 'like for like' as possible
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It's a group game, so it'll be shared points.

Think they could look to make ODIs live after 15 overs rather than 20, although that wouldn't have helped last night.
No, but a bit more sense would. Instead of reducing the innings' lengths by 4 per side after a lengthy rain break they need to reduce them by 10 overs per side for every hour lost.

Might seem extreme, but since you'd expect over 15 overs bowled in an hour, and with the prospect of more rain, it is only sensible to try and ensure a positive result and give both sides the chance to bat 20+ overs.

If New Zealand hadn't batted out 45 overs, even 10 overs less, then the aussies would have had every chance of batting 20 overs. This isn't hindsight, I'm bored of seeing rain affected matches with the side batting first getting 39-50 overs and the side batting second struggling to get to 10-15.

I can understand it many years ago when forecasts weren't so readily available and updatable via WWW.

Here's a few of England's NRs :

04/05 SAF 211 (46.3 overs) vs ENG 7/2 (3.4 overs)
2005 AUS 261 (50.0 overs) vs ENG 37/1 (6.0 overs)
2006 ENG 202 (49.2 overs) vs PAK 46/1 (7.0 overs)
2008 ENG 162 (24.0 overs) vs NZL 127/2 (19.0 overs)
2008 SCO 156 (44.0 overs) vs ENG 10/0 (2.3 overs)
2008 SAF 6/1 (3.0 overs) vs ENG
2011 IND 274/7 (50.0 overs) vs ENG 27/2 (7.2 overs)
2015 IRE 56/4 (18.0 overs) vs ENG
2016 SRL 248/9 (50.0 overs) vs ENG 16/1 (4.0 overs)

NINE no results there, in SIX of those the side batting first batted 40+ overs which is enough if spread between the two to produce a positive result, not even allowing for the few overs batted in response. I'm not suggesting every one should have produced a result, but one side batting so long left much less chance of the side batting second reaching 20 overs. Certainly any where 54+ overs were bowled overall you've got to think if the sides batting first hadn't batted 40+ overs there was a good chance of a result, and I'm not simply playing mathematics, it's just plain sense when you know rain is coming.

I reckon you'd get similar results for other countries, obviously if less than 20 overs or even only a few more than 40 overs are possible there's no guarantee you can play the game to a conclusion, but you certainly won't when one side bats 40+ overs and the other is scratching around to bat double figures worth of overs.

You'd think the ICC would have someone analyse all this, someone with access to a bigger database although someone might want to play with cricinfo's statsguru, but I suspect they think DL is the dag's ballacks and probably TV influences make them try to play too many overs even after rain than produces a result.

I'd rather watch 25-35 overs a side and a result than 50 overs and 19 overs and no result.......... And the less DL involvement the better, especially as sides just use it to see where they need to be at any given point to win if the game were to stop then
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Actually agree about the rain reductions up to a point. At least they could give the match ref the option of taking a few extra overs off the batting side if the forecast looks dodgy. More ridiculously though, they still had a lunch break for half an hour despite rain on the way and an interruption all but certain in an already interrupted and shortened game. The absolute most they should have had between innings was a 15m change over. Okay, it wouldn't quite have got us a result but it would have given a better chance.
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Hm... rain threatens to spoil it's second high profile match of the tournament. This is tedious.
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Has this thread any more relevance, given that there are Group A and Group B "stickies" there for the posting? Dhawan sticks a full bunger down the throat of cow corner as I speak.
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