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Old 19th January 2008, 15:17   #1
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Bowlers and Bowling

Who has the best bowling unit from recent squads? There are a few injuries to bowlers and some line ups will be stronger when they return. Some teams have 4 bowlers and others 5 with their all rounders. I havent included part time bowlers. Returning bowlers in brackets.

Australia - Lee, Johnson, Clark, Symonds, Hogg (387) - McGill
South Africa - Steyn, Ntini, Nel, Kallis, Harris (793) - Morkel
New Zealand - Martin, Mills, O'Brien, Oram, Vettori (447) - Bond/Gillespie
England - Hoggard, Sidebottom, Harmison, Panesar (568) - Flintoff
India - RPSingh, Pathan, Sharma, Kumble (749) - Khan/Sreesanth
Sri Lanka - Vaas, Fernando, Malinga, Murali (1229)
West Indies - Powell, Taylor, Edwards, Bravo, Lewis (241)
Pakistan - Akhtar, Sami, Arafat, Kaneria (486) - Gul/Naved
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Old 19th January 2008, 19:14   #2
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You missed out Asif for Pakistan. Him, Shoiab, Gul and Kaneria, with Afridi the 5th looks good to me if they were ever fit/elligible at the same time.

India look to have plenty of potential, although Kumble doesn't have a lot more left in him.
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Mervyn King's going big guns, but expect Jason Greenslade, Paul Foster and Les Gillett to show their class.
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Old 19th January 2008, 19:54   #4
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Best attack will be probably South Africa and Pakistan, in terms of potential and IF they stay fit. Morkel and Steyn could be lethal but that is yet to be proven, same goes with Shoiab and Asif, who are rarely fit, plus both sides seem to have a balanced attack. Indias bowling unit is grooming into a nice unit, with a resurgence of Pathan, RP is very good, and Sreesanth can be on his day, and there's Chawla, brilliant player, next big spin sensation will be him. Australias bowling attack is good and will do the job and maybe is the most reliable out of the lot.
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There's no real way of making a call on any of those attacks until a test match line up is actually named, so many have been the injuries affecting test fast bowlers recently. Even without injuries, there's something to be said against every one of those line ups. No wonder batsmen have been so much in the ascendency recently. I probably like the South African attack best but there are serious doubts about the merits of Harris, Kallis is a bit of a part timer, Steyn needs to sustain recent form, Ntini may well be on the downslope and Nel is pretty hit and miss.
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I think the Indians have the biggest choice of very good bowlers should injuries occur. Can any of the other teams afford to lose their two opening bowlers?

Khan, RPSingh, Pathan, Sharma, Sreesanth, Patel, Harbhijan, Kumble and then they have part time bowlers like Sehwag, Tendulkar and Ganguly.

We are seeing quite a few new bowlers recently in all the teams, when for years there have been settled attacks.
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I think the Indians have the biggest choice of very good bowlers should injuries occur. Can any of the other teams afford to lose their two opening bowlers?

Khan, RPSingh, Pathan, Sharma, Sreesanth, Patel, Harbhijan, Kumble and then they have part time bowlers like Sehwag, Tendulkar and Ganguly.

We are seeing quite a few new bowlers recently in all the teams, when for years there have been settled attacks.
Maybe it's because they've just beaten Australia (and beat us!) but India seems to have a great selection of bowlers at the moment, and each bowler brings something different to the party. And Sharma's emergence is very exciting.
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Maybe it's because they've just beaten Australia (and beat us!) but India seems to have a great selection of bowlers at the moment, and each bowler brings something different to the party. And Sharma's emergence is very exciting.
Well there aren't many left arm bowlers that can bowl both sides of the wicket and swing it both ways. Our batsmen were a bit taken aback.

First time I have seen Ponting put under pressure, and by a 19 year old.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai.../scscyl120.xml

Berry seems to think because India have left arm bowlers and they beat Australia that Sidebottom will be a good weapon to have.

The thing is Khan and RPSingh are better bowlers. If you look at our meeting with India

Khan 18 wickets at 20.33
Singh 12 wickets at 28.91
Sidebottom 8 wickets at 37.87

If England need a second spinner then Swann or Saqlain.
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First time I have seen Ponting put under pressure, and by a 19 year old.
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Maybe it's because they've just beaten Australia (and beat us!) but India seems to have a great selection of bowlers at the moment, and each bowler brings something different to the party. And Sharma's emergence is very exciting.
He's got Mark Nicholas excited as well.
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He's got Mark Nicholas excited as well.
There's a phrase I never thought I'd see on here
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He's got Mark Nicholas excited as well.
A very good article as well, exceedingly well balanced.
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You are joking about Harmison against the Windies, aren't you? A generous assessment would describe him as a curate's egg in that series. I think he was far better against Sri Lanka and certainly vastly better in context, given how badly the other bowlers fared, even if his average was a touch worse than in the Windies series.
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What 'worst' bowling Cricinfo lists have our bowlers made it on to -

Worst economy rate in an innings
4. Ali - 12.00
10. Mahmood - 11.42
50. Plunkett - 10.14

Worst career bowling average
21. Radford - 115.00
24. Solanki - 105.00
37. Jesty - 93.00
48. Bresnan - 84.50

Worst career strike rate
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Worst career economy rate -
3. Mahmood - 5.85
4. Plunkett - 5.85
22. Hoggard - 5.29
42. Broad - 5.09
52. Harmison - 5.05
58. Collingwood - 5.02

Worst career bowling average
23. Willey - 50.69
35. Capel - 47.35
63. Gooch - 42.11
70. Irani - 41.20
73. Reeve - 41.00
77. Panesar - 40.83
84. Collingwood - 40.30

Most runs conceded in an innings
5. Harmison - 97
24. Anderson - 86
33. Broad - 84
35. Pringle - 83
57. Harmison - 81
71. Mahmood - 80
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I presume the purpose of this exercise is to show that Anderson appears in only one category and he isn't even the "top" in that one.
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I presume the purpose of this exercise is to show that Anderson appears in only one category and he isn't even the "top" in that one.
At least he hasn't fallen to the depths of Plunkett and Mahmood!
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What grounds do our bowlers like in England -

Lords
Anderson - 14 wickets at 25.21
Tremlett - 4 wickets at 26.00
Sidebottom - 6 wickets at 28.50
Hoggard - 37 wickets at 31.08
Harmison - 31 wickets at 31.45
Mahmood - 5 wickets at 33.60
Panesar - 12 wickets at 35.75
Plunkett - 5 wickets at 82.20

The Oval
Harmison - 18 wickets at 24.38
Anderson - 13 wickets at 34.23
Hoggard - 10 wickets at 39.90
Mahmood - 2 wickets at 50.50
Tremlett - 3 wickets at 63.33
Sidebottom - 1 wicket at 93.00
Panesar - 3 wickets at 106.66

Old Trafford
Panesar - 18 wickets at 15.15
Harmison - 24 wickets at 19.83
Hoggard - 17 wickets at 33.17
Sidebottom - 3 wickets at 33.66
Anderson - 1 wicket at 71.00
Plunkett - 1 wicket at 100.00

Headingley
Sidebottom - 6 wickets at 10.75
Plunkett - 4 wickets at 15.00
Mahmood - 6 wickets at 21.66
Panesar - 7 wickets at 26.71
Harmison - 13 wickets at 32.84
Hoggard - 9 wickets at 43.22
Anderson - 2 wickets at 59.50

Riverside
Panesar - 6 wickets at 13.13
Hoggard - 13 wickets at 14.07
Anderson - 6 wickets at 14.16
Harmison - 16 wickets at 23.18
Sidebottom - 5 wickets at 25.60

Trent Bridge
Tremlett - 6 wickets at 15.33
Panesar - 9 wickets at 20.22
Plunkett - 4 wickets at 25.25
Harmison - 17 wickets at 26.94
Anderson - 8 wickets at 34.50
Hoggard - 16 wickets at 37.62
Sidebottom - 1 wicket at 103.00

Edgbaston
Plunkett - 6 wickets at 10.00
Mahmood - 2 wickets at 22.00
Hoggard - 20 wickets at 23.15
Panesar - 3 wickets at 26.66
Anderson - 3 wickets at 63.00
Harmison - 5 wickets at 68.20
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Looks like its safe to play Harmison at OT but keep him well away from Edgbaston.
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