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Old 11th December 2017, 19:47   #381
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No, what's really silly is to be averaging 53.75 in Tests, 55.74 in ODIs and 52.86 in T20Is. And with higher strike rates in each format than your man Smith.

Let's hope Smith can maintain his superiority in Test cricket (can't dispute that at the moment, though Kohli is rapidly closing the gap), because when considering the two across formats, Smith can't hold a candle to Kohli.
I rather Smith average 8 runs higher than Kholi in tests than be his equal in ODI's or T20. Those runs are meaningless outside of World Cups, whereas every test run has value.
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Old 12th December 2017, 09:35   #382
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No, what's really silly is to be averaging 53.75 in Tests, 55.74 in ODIs and 52.86 in T20Is. And with higher strike rates in each format than your man Smith.

Let's hope Smith can maintain his superiority in Test cricket (can't dispute that at the moment, though Kohli is rapidly closing the gap), because when considering the two across formats, Smith can't hold a candle to Kohli.
Kohli is only closing the gap because India haven't played a meaningful Test outside of the Sub Continent for about 3 years, and even then they don't play Pakistan. Let's see how he goes against Rabada and Co.....
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Old 12th December 2017, 14:50   #383
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Kohlis current average of 54 is quite literally due to his matches against SL. Before those, he was averaging 49. something.
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Old 14th December 2017, 20:59   #384
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I think an England player is going to get a ton at Perth, so that would be better than Kohli.
And you were right. One for Malan so far. I won't tempt fate by suggesting any others.
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Old 14th December 2017, 21:16   #385
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Kohli is only closing the gap because India haven't played a meaningful Test outside of the Sub Continent for about 3 years, and even then they don't play Pakistan. Let's see how he goes against Rabada and Co.....
I will prefix my rebuttal by saying that this could actually be the strongest SAF side in a while, with ABD and Steyn coming back and them finally finding good openers- hence I don't fancy our chances of even getting a single session, let alone a Test match.

That being said, Kohli's only sojourn to South Africa has yielded a century and a 96 and he averages 68 there. This is in addition to averaging 62 in Australia and 71 in New Zealand. The only place he has a really poor record overseas (understatement of the year) is in England.

Before last year, it was actually his home record that held him back. He was averaging in the early 40s before he decided to score double centuries for fun in the past 15 or so Tests.
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Old 17th December 2017, 06:49   #386
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Time to remove Root from 'The Big Four'?
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Old 17th December 2017, 08:00   #387
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Time to remove Root from 'The Big Four'?
Isn't he allowed a 'blip'? After all, look at Kohli's record in England in 2014!
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Old 17th December 2017, 08:07   #388
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One of the best balls youd ever see from a quick in test cricket from Stark to Vince, nobody could have defended that, unplayable even for the Don, nice gritty innings from Vince, unlucky for him he got that ball.
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Old 17th December 2017, 08:28   #389
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Isn't he allowed a 'blip'? After all, look at Kohli's record in England in 2014!
More his lack of ability to convert 50s into centuries, and his consistently poor performances against Australia.
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Could be the weakest England side to play in Oz. Not just in terms of ability but effort and fight too. Malan, an ordinary player but improving, suddenly is the best bat. Cook and Anderson seem inept mostly and Root out of his depth as captain. Vince and others are walking wickets. Moeen has lost it. Oz are on fire though..and loving it as much as I'm hating this tour.
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Old 17th December 2017, 12:09   #391
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Could be the weakest England side to play in Oz. Not just in terms of ability but effort and fight too..
Not even close, in 2003 you had White, Tudor, Dawson, Harmlesson and Silverwood as your bowling attack.
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61 Tests 6057 runs at 63.75 HS239 23 100s 23 50s - Smith (28)
65 Tests 5701 runs at 53.28 HS254 13 100s 37 50s - Root (27)
64 Tests 5301 runs at 53.01 HS243 20 100s 15 50s - Kohli (29)
63 Tests 5214 runs at 50.62 HS242* 17 100s 26 50s - Williamson (27)

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202 ODIs 9030 runs at 55.74 HS183 32 100s 45 50s s/r 91.73 - Kohli
98 ODIs 4091 runs at 51.13 HS133* 10 100s 25 50s s/r 86.95 - Root
119 ODIs 4831 runs at 46.90 HS145* 10 100s 32 50s s/r 84.20 - Williamson
104 ODIs 3352 runs at 42.97 HS164 8 100s 19 50s s/r 87.22 - Smith

20/20s
55 20/20s 1956 runs at 52.86 HS90* 18 50s s/r 137.84 - Kohli
25 20/20s 743 runs at 39.10 HS90* 4 50s s/r 128.76 - Root
44 20/20s 1209 runs at 34.54 HS73* 7 50s s/r 123.11 - Williamson
30 20/20s 431 runs at 21.55 HS90 2 50s s/r 122.44 - Smith

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Time to remove Root from 'The Big Four'?
I think so. Not quite up there for mine. Could be forgiven for the apparent blip against good pace bowling, until combined with that general conversion rate which is ordinary. Is beginning to look like he is a very good player with all of the required ability, but lacking the mental toughness. Captaincy?
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I think so. Not quite up there for mine. Could be forgiven for the apparent blip against good pace bowling, until combined with that general conversion rate which is ordinary. Is beginning to look like he is a very good player with all of the required ability, but lacking the mental toughness. Captaincy?
Yeah, he doesn't have the ability to narrate a series with his bat the way Smith, Kohli and to an extent Williamson and certainly De Villiers (though he's too old for the top 4 I guess, still in the same class) can. He's still Englands most valuable asset (maybe Stokes aside) so why they burden him with the captaincy I don't know, specially as he's neither very good at it nor keen to do it, it seems. Just let him bat and let someone else worry about the on field and off field trainwreck that is the England cricket team.
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Yeah, he doesn't have the ability to narrate a series with his bat the way Smith, Kohli and to an extent Williamson and certainly De Villiers (though he's too old for the top 4 I guess, still in the same class) can. He's still Englands most valuable asset (maybe Stokes aside) so why they burden him with the captaincy I don't know, specially as he's neither very good at it nor keen to do it, it seems. Just let him bat and let someone else worry about the on field and off field trainwreck that is the England cricket team.
Coz there's no one else?

Remember, Stokes was Vice Captain until the Bristol incident!!
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Coz there's no one else?

Remember, Stokes was Vice Captain until the Bristol incident!!

As a long term option, Bairstow. He's in no danger of getting dropped anytime soon. He's vocal and shows much more presence and command in the field. Short term option, Anderson. He's the best player, doesn't back down.
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Bairstow could be good. That's a lot of responsibility though. Top six bat, wicket keeper and Captain.
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Bairstow could be good. That's a lot of responsibility though. Top six bat, wicket keeper and Captain.
He wouldn't have to keep wicket, that's one thing we're not short of.

I think our batting would be stronger for the inclusion of Foakes as keeper.

But it's not going to happen, Root will almost certainly be captain in 4 years time.
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He wouldn't have to keep wicket, that's one thing we're not short of.

I think our batting would be stronger for the inclusion of Foakes as keeper.

But it's not going to happen, Root will almost certainly be captain in 4 years time.
Your probably right. A shame though, I think Root is a better bat than he is portraying at the moment. Would be an awful lot of distractions with the Captaincy, concentrating solely on batting might be what he needs.

Whether Bairstow would be good remains to be seen. He does appear to have a good presence on field and good demeanor though.
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Bairstow could be good. That's a lot of responsibility though. Top six bat, wicket keeper and Captain.
Doesn't need to keep. He'd probably average in the mid 40s as a specialist bat, then they can bring in Foakes.
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