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Old 25th January 2014, 13:44   #821
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Injuries to the England's fast bowlers (updated)

Finn
Injury free since his debut March 2010.
Oct 2012 - Hamstring, misses 1st Test v India
Dec 2012 - Minor disc damage lower back misses 4th Test in India
May 2012 - Sore shins - misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Sep 2013 - Slight side strain - misses last ODI v Australia

Bresnan
June 2006 - back injury out for 4 months and not selected for 30 man World Cup squad.
May 2010 - stress fracture of foot, misses 2nd Test v Bangladesh at OT.
Jan 2011 - calf strain, misses 5 ODIs in Australia. Goes for scan before quarter-final v SL in World Cup but played in all World Cup matches.
May 2011 - torn calf muscle v Hants. Misses Sri Lanka Tests. Replaces injured Tremlett after 1st Test v India.
Jan 2012 - misses 3 Tests in UAE and 2 ODIs after not recovering from operation to remove bone fragments from elbow.
Jan 2013 - misses tour to NZ with elbow problem. Going to USA for operation.
Aug 2013 - stress fracture of lower back, misses 5th Ashes Test and rest of the season and first 2 Ashes Tests.

Tremlett
Sep 2003 - hip injury
May 2005 - back problem
Nov 2005 - selected for tour to Pakistan, had to withdraw, hamstring.
Jan 2006 - missed India tour surgery to right knee and hip
April 2006 - side strain
May 2006 - ankle
May 2006 - knee problems, misses SL ODIs
July 2007 - needed an injection to his shoulder before 1st Test v India
Sep 2007 - right foot, misses ODIs v India
Feb 2008 - leaves tour of NZ with a side strain
Aug 2008 - heel injury misses ODIs v SA
Feb 2011 - side injury after the Ashes
July 2011 - Hamstring strain and back, misses 2nd, 3rd and 4th Test v India
Jan 2012 - eye infection, misses warm up match
Jan 2012 - bulging disc in back and has back surgery. Misses 2nd and 3rd Test in UAE and Sri Lanka series.
Sep 2012 - Undergoes knee surgery to repair torn cartilage
Jan 2014 - elbow injury, leaves Big Bash to return home
(Tremlett has never played a whole season for Hants/Surrey or taken 50 wickets. Don't know what injuries he had that kept him out of the Hants side)

Broad
Nov 2008 - knee injury in warm up match before ODIs in India, plays all matches.
Sep 2009 - knee problem, misses 2 ODIs v Aus
Oct 2009 - torn buttock, misses 1 ODI in Champions Trophy.
Mar 2010 - plays in Bangladesh with a back problem but misses 3rd ODI and later rested for Bangladesh in England for strength and conditioning.
Nov 2009 - shoulder injury, misses 2 ODis v SA
Dec 2010 - abdominal muscle tear misses 3 Ashes Tests and ODIs.
Mar 2011 - side strain misses 4 ODIs in World Cup and IPL
Sep 2011 - muscle tear to shoulder misses ODI series in India
Mar 2012 - misses 2nd Test SL and IPL with calf strain
Dec 2012 - heel injury misses 2 warm up matches
May 2013 - knee injury, misses 2 ODIs v NZ
June 2013 - stiff shoulder, has cortisone injection and misses Essex warm up game.
July 2013 - misses first innings in 1st Ashes Test - hit on shoulder by Pattinson.
Dec 2013 - bruised foot, hit by Johnson, misses 2nd innings.
Jan 2014 - sore knee, misses 2 ODIs in Australia

Anderson
Sep 2003 - left knee, rested from Bangladesh tour
Nov 2003 - twisted ankle after 1st ODI in SL. Two rained off, misses 2 Tests.
Jun 2004 - bruised heel misses 2 Tests v NZ and 1 v WI
Mar 2006 - stress fracture, misses 3 Tests SL and 4 Pakistan.
Jan 2007 - leaves CB series after stiff back
Mar 2007 - breaks little finger but plays in World Cup
Nov 2007 - ankle injury misses warm up in SL
Sep 2009 - carrying knee injury from 4th Ashes Test and rested from 2 ODIs
Dec 2009 - plays 4 Tests with knee injury in SA
Jan 2010 - rested from 2 Bangladesh Tests
Oct 2010 - broken rib in Germany
Dec 2010 - back scan after Perth Ashes but plays in next 2 Ashes Tests.
May 2011 - side strain, misses 2nd Test SL
Aug 2011 - hamstring doesn't miss any Tests
Dec 2013 - broken rib didn't miss the 3 remaining Ashes Tests. Fit again end of Feb.

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Old 30th January 2014, 09:25   #822
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Reflects well on Dernbach...
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Old 30th January 2014, 10:01   #823
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Reflects well on Dernbach...
Despite his dreadful ODI performances where his lack of being able to bowl a stock delivery on a line and length, this conversely appears to help him in t20 where he's able to bowl a variety of deliveries that batsmen can't set themselves to when they are actively trying to whack every ball out of the park rather than waiting for the bad ball to come and get 6 an over without trying, which they can do in ODIs but not t20s.
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Old 30th January 2014, 12:25   #824
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My impression of Dernbach is that he's always been quite good at the death, his problem is his bowling in the overs before that, when he tends to be a lot more expensive than the other bowlers.

His career T20I economy rate is 8.06 which isn't that far away from his economy rate at the death of 8.85. There is far more divergence between the 'overall' and 'death' economy rates of England's other main bowlers anyway: Bresnan overall ER 7.58, death ER 10.35; Broad overall ER 7.47, death ER 9.02; Finn overall ER 7.16, death ER 8.81. These figures seem to support that impression. Now, if we could just sub him for one of the other bowlers mid-innings...
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Old 30th January 2014, 12:38   #825
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Flintoff was our best death bowler and he never went for any fancy variations. He did far more death bowling in ODIs yet his overall economy rate was 4.40.

I think we have yet to find a good death bowler but Broad should be one of them rather than Bresnan.

Bowling at the death in ODIs (last 4 overs) over the last 10 years
Econ in brackets

154.2-2-1109-61 - Anderson (7.18)
101.2-1-737-37 - Broad (7.27)
100.3-1-722-32 - Bresnan (7.18)
93.1-2-551-50 - Flintoff (5.91)
65.2-2-530-25 - Woakes (8.11)
55.4-2-386-18 - Gough (6.93)
46.1-0-383-26 - Finn (8.29)
40.1-1-258-13 - Collingwood (6.42)
32.4-2-278-12 - Dernbach (8.51)
23.2-0-222-14 - Jordan (9.51)
28.5-0-193-10 - Harmison (6.69)
27.5-0-175-12 - Sidebottom (6.28)
27.2-0-153-11 - Swann (5.59)
26.2-0-214-13 - Stokes (8.12)
24.2-1-160-6 - Plunkett (6.57)
23.3-0-171-11 - Mahmood (7.27)
18.0-3-70-4 - Giles (3.88)
15.4-3-68-7 - Tredwell (4.34)
14.4-0-118-5 - Willey (8.04)
13.4-0-119-4 - Tremlett (8.71)
13.3-0-75-4 - Bopara (5.55)
13.1-0-144-9 - Kabir Ali (10.94)
12.3-0-118-7 - Gurney (9.44)
12.2-1-79-4 - Wharf (6.40)
12.0-0-108-1 - Wood (9.00)
11.1-0-95-0 – Clarke (8.63)
10.2-0-93-3 - Rashid (9.00)
10-0-64-3 - Panesar (6.40)
9.0-0-40-6 - Caddick (4.44)
8.1-0-73-4 - Patel (8.94)
8-0-31-3 - Dalrymple (3.87)
7.1-0-57-2 - Topley (7.96)
6.5-0-40-3 - Ali (5.85)
6.5-0-44-1 - Ball (6.44)
6.5-0-54-0 - Hoggard (7.90)
6.0-1-55-3 - Wright (9.16)
6.0-0-34-3 - Vaughan (5.66)
6.0-0-46-3 - Shahzad (7.66)
5.2-0-49-1 - Lewis (9.19)
5.1-0-20-4 - Rankin (3.87)
5.0-0-23-0 - Irani (4.60)
4-0-18-0 - Blackwell (4.50)
3.3-0-20-0 - Solanki (5.71)
3.0-1-14-3 - Shah (4.66)
3.0-0-15-1 - Yardy (5.00)
3-0-21-0 - Pietersen (7.00)
3-0-35-0 - Meaker (11.66)
3-0-37-0 - White (12.33)
3-0-40-0 - Root (13.33)
2.2-0-12-0 - Batty (5.15)
2.1-0-10-2 - Kirtley (4.62)
2.0-0-9-1 - McGrath (4.50)
2.0-0-8-2 - Parry (4.00)
2.0-0-12-1 - Jones (6.00)
2-0-14-0 - Mascarenhas (7.00)
2-0-23-0 - Loudon (11.50)
1.4-0-5-2 - Bell (3.01)
1-0-3-0 - Strauss (3.00)
1.0-0-7-0 - Trescothick (7.00)
1.0-0-13-0 – Onions (13.00)
0.3-0-5-0 - Trott (10.00)

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Old 30th January 2014, 13:09   #826
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Bowling at the death in 20/20s (last 4 overs) since the start of the format in 2005

42.4-0-385-18 - Broad (econ 9.02)
42.0-0-372-20 - Dernbach (8.85)
24.4-0-198-12 - Sidebottom (8.02)
20.4-0-214-9 - Bresnan (10.35)
16.2-1-137-5 - Anderson (8.38)
11.0-0-97-5 - Finn (8.81)
10.0-0-74-4 - Swann (7.40)
10-0-72-3 - Flintoff (7.20)
9.4-1-84-6 - Bopara (8.69)
6.0-0-59-1 - Wright (9.83)
5.0-0-49-2 - Collingwood (9.80)
4.0-0-25-3 - Mahmood (6.25)
4.0-0-29-0 - Yardy (7.25)
3.0-0-44-1 - Shahzad (14.66)
2.5-0-48-0 - Schofield (16.96)
2.0-0-12-1 - Rashid (6.00)
2.0-0-15-2 - Khan (7.50)
2.0-0-15-1 - Plunkett (7.50)
2.0-0-30-0 - Meaker (15.00)
1.0-0-6-2 - Maddy (6.00)
1.0-0-8-0 - Woakes (8.00)
1.0-0-9-0 - Stokes (9.00)
1.0-0-10-0 - Pietersen (10.00)
1.0-0-11-1 - Tremlett (11.00)
1.0-0-13-0 - Lewis (13.00)
1.0-0-14-0 - Patel (14.00)
1.0-0-23-0 - Briggs (23.00)
0.5-0-10-0 - Gough
0.3-0-0-1 - Harmison

Broad's economy would be 8.18 if he didn't bowl that over for 36 runs.
It's easy to forget how good Saj Mahmood was.
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Harmison and Maddy should bowl at the death for England.
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My impression of Dernbach is that he's always been quite good at the death, his problem is his bowling in the overs before that, when he tends to be a lot more expensive than the other bowlers.

His career T20I economy rate is 8.06 which isn't that far away from his economy rate at the death of 8.85. There is far more divergence between the 'overall' and 'death' economy rates of England's other main bowlers anyway: Bresnan overall ER 7.58, death ER 10.35; Broad overall ER 7.47, death ER 9.02; Finn overall ER 7.16, death ER 8.81. These figures seem to support that impression. Now, if we could just sub him for one of the other bowlers mid-innings...
With Dernbach, I've always thought no matter what context you bowl him in, his economy rate will be the same. Could bowl him first morning of a test on a green-top at a chilly, overcast Headingley against Bangladesh and he'd probably still go for 7-an-over.
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It's easy to forget how good Saj Mahmood was.


His last 20/20 game. Also Anderson's last. Cook was captain and he too never played again.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/rsaveng0...ch/387564.html

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His last 20/20 game. Also Anderson's last. Cook was captain and he too never played again.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/rsaveng0...ch/387564.html
Yeah, I remember that one, wasn't much fun... Morgan's batting in the first game was, however.

Just think though, in that match we fielded a side with a top 3 of Cook, Denly and Trott with the bowling including Mahmood, Anderson and Rashid, yet less than 6 months later we were World Champions. You can turn it round quickly in T20.
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Yeah, I remember that one, wasn't much fun... Morgan's batting in the first game was, however.

Just think though, in that match we fielded a side with a top 3 of Cook, Denly and Trott with the bowling including Mahmood, Anderson and Rashid, yet less than 6 months later we were World Champions. You can turn it round quickly in T20.
Well, we won the first match of that series to draw it 1-1.

The results in this series don't particularly worry me about the upcoming T20 WC. I'm more worried about the fact its in the sub-continent and our record in limited overs in the sub-continent is rarely spectacular.
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I know, hence my comment about Morgan's (superb) innings in the first game. It was around that time that we seemed to draw every T20 series 1-1, regardless of how emphatic a win one team had enjoyed in the first match, remember the home series against West Indies in 2011/2012? In fact this was the first T20 series of more than one game that England have ever lost...
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Well, we won the first match of that series to draw it 1-1.

The results in this series don't particularly worry me about the upcoming T20 WC. I'm more worried about the fact its in the sub-continent and our record in limited overs in the sub-continent is rarely spectacular.
Top 10 bowlers in 20/20s

1 Narine
2 Ajmal
3 McCullum
4 Hafeez
5 Mendis
6 Utseya
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9 Al-Hasan
10 Razzak

We don't even have one in the top 100 now Swann has gone. I don't fancy our chances batting against those bowlers and there are lots more spinners not in the top 10.
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Old 3rd February 2014, 18:29   #834
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With Hales, Wright, Pietersen, Morgan, Bopara and Buttler England have enough firepower to win if a couple of them walk into form at the right time.

T20 is largely a game of form. If they get hot England will be competitive - like when Pietersen won us the 2010 trophy.

Hales is an upgrade over Lumb, Buttler over Kieswetter and Root over Yardy. Bops comes in for Colly, Topley/Gurney in for Sideshow and Briggs in for Swann. Jordan could replace Bres as well if you want.
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... I have taken out N Buck and C Overton and added Plunkett and Wood as they are the latest to join the Lions. Also added Gurney.
Wot no spinners?
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I know very little about Wood, but his strike rate is impressive!
Has anybody seen much of him? What do you think?
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I know very little about Wood, but his strike rate is impressive!
Has anybody seen much of him? What do you think?
He had a good season for Durham last year, as did a number of their seamers, but he's only played a handful of FC games over 3 years. His stats are boosted by some good returns against University & touring sides, his average and strike rate would be a more normal but still impressive 26.5 and 47.8 without those games. Notts fans may be the ones to ask looking at his record against them!
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Forget the stats, number one pace bowler on the planet atm, Mitch Johnson, and daylight second.
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Has anybody seen much of him? What do you think?
Seen plenty of him and I like what I see.

Providing England don't start tinkering with his action he could become a top bowler for Durham (and possibly England).
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Seen plenty of him and I like what I see.

Providing England don't start tinkering with his action he could become a top bowler for Durham (and possibly England).
could apend that observation to every bowler I have seen as a brighter future in living memory
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