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Old 15th February 2014, 21:23   #841
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Age when fast bowlers stopped playing Tests 200+ wickets

86 Tests - 3653.0 overs - 431 wickets - Hadlee 39
61 Tests - 2275.0 overs - 228 wickets - Lindwall 38
132 Tests - 5003.1 overs - 519 wickets - Walsh 38
71 Tests - 2337.4 overs - 233 wickets - Martin 38
51 Tests - 2653.0 overs - 236 wickets - Bedser 37
98 Tests - 3683.5 overs - 405 wickets - Ambrose 36
124 Tests - 4874.4 overs - 563 wickets - McGrath 36
104 Tests - 3771.1 overs - 414 wickets - Akram 35
111 Tests - 3906.2 overs - 355 wickets - Vaas 35
70 Tests - 2676.0 overs - 252 wickets - Statham 35
90 Tests - 2892.5 overs - 325 wickets - Willis 35
51 Tests - 1755.5 overs - 200 wickets - Thomson 35
92 Tests - 3082.5 overs - 307 wickets - Zaheer Khan35
58 Tests - 2194.5 overs - 259 wickets - Garner 34
70 Tests - 3077.5 overs - 355 wickets - Lillee 34
108 Tests - 4058.5 overs - 421 wickets - Pollock 34
67 Tests - 2529.4 overs - 307 wickets - Trueman 34
62 Tests - 2259.4 overs - 234 wickets - Caddick 34
73 Tests - 2666.5 overs - 313 wickets - Johnson 34
72 Tests - 2586.3 overs - 330 wickets - Donald 33
67 Tests - 2517.2 overs - 236 wickets - Srinath 33
81 Tests - 2930.4 overs - 376 wickets - Marshall 33
60 Tests - 2113.2 overs - 249 wickets - Holding 33
58 Tests - 1970.1 overs - 229 wickets - Gough 32
53 Tests - 2047.5 overs - 212 wickets - Hughes 32
76 Tests - 2755.2 overs - 310 wickets - Lee 32
101 Tests - 3472.2 overs - 390 wickets - Ntini 32
67 Tests - 2318.1 overs - 248 wickets - Hoggard 31
87 Tests - 2704.0 overs - 373 wickets - Younis 31
65 Tests - 2259.5 overs - 216 wickets - Streak 31
71 Tests - 2372,2 overs - 259 wickets - Gillespie 31
63 Tests - 2229.1 overs - 226 wickets - Harmison 30
71 Tests - 2764.2 overs - 291 wickets - McDermott 30
60 Tests - 2946.5 overs - 246 wickets - McKenzie 29

Players 200+ Tests still playing

129 Tests - 4709.5 overs - 506 wickets - Anderson 35
85 Tests - 2881.0 overs - 417 wickets - Steyn 34
109 Tests - 3727.1 overs - 388 wickets - Broad 31

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Old 16th February 2014, 02:47   #842
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How have the batsmen done against Johnson Mark II
(to be updated after the last Test)

Root 36.5-57-1 - econ 1.54
Carberry 24.1-66-3 - 2.73
Stokes 20.2-61-3 - 2.95
KP 17.2-55-2 econ - 3.17
Bell 16.2-48-0 econ - 3.00
Cook 14.5-72-4 econ - 4.85
Prior 11.3-39-2 econ - 3.39
de Villiers 10.2-53-2 - 5.13
Broad 7.4-17-6
Amla 7.1-18-2
Bresnan 5.4-7-2
Anderson 5.2-12-4
Bairstow 4.5-14-2
Swann 4.4-15-3
RPeterson 3.5-19-1
Ballance 3.1-5-1
Duminy 3.0-8-1
Tremlett 2.5-6-0
APeterson 2.5-2-2
McLaren 2.4-3-2
Trott 2.1-10-2
Panesar 2.1-0-2
Philander 1.2-2-0
Du Plessis 1.0-4-1
Rankin 0.5-0-1
Smith 0.4-4-2
Steyn 0.2-2-0
Morkel 0.1-0-1

Only 4 players haven't got out to Johnson. Bell, Tremlett, Philander and Steyn. The last three didn't face many balls.

Wickets spread evenly through the whole batting line ups.
1-3 (15)
4-7 (17)
8-11 (17)
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Old 16th February 2014, 10:48   #843
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Alviro Petersen and Smith have had a terrible first test against him. Cook and Carberry had a poor time of the specialist batsmen.
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Old 16th February 2014, 12:58   #844
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Old 19th February 2014, 16:09   #845
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5 years of spin

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

Top class spinner wanted

England
South Africa
New Zealand

Pakistan - Ajmal and Rehman
Sri Lanka - Herath and Mendis
India - Ashwin and Ojha Jadeja
Bangladesh - Al-Hasan and Gazi
Australia - Lyon
West Indies - Shillingford

In the top 20 rankings

5 Ajmal
7 Herath
10 Ashwin
12 Ojha
13 Rehman
19 Lyon
20 Al-Hasan, Shillingford
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Old 28th February 2014, 03:04   #846
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The next World Cup is in New Zealand and Australia. With two new balls teams look to build in the first 10 overs rather than attack. I have noticed this from looking at the figures of the first 6 months of 2013 in all the different countires.

So looking at the stats from the beginning of 2013 to present in NZ and Aus. England in Australia were facing Australia without their first choice bowlers. Broad thinks England need to be more attacking as they will be playing in Australia.

In Australia (first 10 overs batting first)
Aus - 52/0 21/2 26/4 50/2 37/2 39/2 59/0 23/2 30/2
WI - 26/5 20/3
Eng - 28/2 52/0 53/1 73/0

In New Zealand (first 10 overs batting first)
Eng - 33/1
NZ - 21/2 18/3 20/3 104/3 v WI 38/0 38/2 54/1 57/1 31/1
WI - 83/0
Ind - 28/2
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Old 1st March 2014, 18:12   #847
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5 years of spin

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

Top class spinner wanted

England
South Africa
New Zealand

Pakistan - Ajmal and Rehman
Sri Lanka - Herath and Mendis
India - Ashwin and Ojha Jadeja
Bangladesh - Al-Hasan and Gazi
Australia - Lyon
West Indies - Shillingford

In the top 20 rankings

5 Ajmal
7 Herath
10 Ashwin
12 Ojha
13 Rehman
19 Lyon
20 Al-Hasan, Shillingford
i'd almost rate lyon the best of the lot, although ajmal and ashwin can be far more damaging on the right wicket. very bleak period for spin bowling. miracle leggie where are you?
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i'd almost rate lyon the best of the lot, although ajmal and ashwin can be far more damaging on the right wicket. very bleak period for spin bowling. miracle leggie where are you?
Forget a miracle leggie, I'd be happy to see a genuine spinner, and Nathan Lyon is the closest to that right now. Both Ajmal and Ashwin rely too much on tricks to my liking.
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Forget a miracle leggie, I'd be happy to see a genuine spinner, and Nathan Lyon is the closest to that right now. Both Ajmal and Ashwin rely too much on tricks to my liking.
Ohja would be excellent if India weren't daft enough to pick spear chuckers ahead of him. I'm sure the Ajmal opinions are based on his action.
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I think Ojha benefits from the "Graham Onions factor", that is an enhanced reputation for not being in the side. Ajmal is probably still the best but plays so little it's hard to judge. Herath and Lyon next best then... ??? Ajmal and Herath must both be close to retirement too.
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I think Ojha benefits from the "Graham Onions factor", that is an enhanced reputation for not being in the side. Ajmal is probably still the best but plays so little it's hard to judge. Herath and Lyon next best then... ??? Ajmal and Herath must both be close to retirement too.
Up to a point, but he looked by far the best of the Indian spinners when England played there and he has a good enough record, although of course he has played little outside the subcontinent.
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I don't see him as being particularly successful outside India, maybe he'll get a go this Summer. Ashwin is, in my view, a no-hoper when not-playing weak batting line-ups on grippy wickets in India.

Jadeja offers a bit more control. Yes, he got milked in New Zealand, but recent history suggests spinners aren't having much joy in Middle Earth.
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I don't see him as being particularly successful outside India, maybe he'll get a go this Summer. Ashwin is, in my view, a no-hoper when not-playing weak batting line-ups on grippy wickets in India.

Jadeja offers a bit more control. Yes, he got milked in New Zealand, but recent history suggests spinners aren't having much joy in Middle Earth.
He's the only one of their spinners who has a good range of flight and drift and appears to give the ball a good tweak too. Agree with you entirely on Ashwin.
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The only people who don't agree with our opinions about Ashwin are the Indian selectors and Dhoni.
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Herath has taken a stunning number of wickets since January 2012 (i think 98 in 17 tests during this period) and if my memory serves me correctly i think he's the 4th/5th on the overall list in that time period.

Granted he's not got a great deal of competition for wickets and i'd imagine that a decent chunk have come against Bangladesh, but Herath should certainly be rated as the number two spinner in the world after Ajmal.
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Herath has taken a stunning number of wickets since January 2012 (i think 98 in 17 tests during this period) and if my memory serves me correctly i think he's the 4th/5th on the overall list in that time period.

Granted he's not got a great deal of competition for wickets and i'd imagine that a decent chunk have come against Bangladesh, but Herath should certainly be rated as the number two spinner in the world after Ajmal.
Aboslutely right, 98 in 17 Tests. 85 of those in Asia @ 23.4 compared to 13 @ 39.6 away from Asia. I think you're right that Ajmal is clearly the best spinner in the world now Swann has retired, but I don't think Herath is much ahead of the other group of spinners who perform well in favourable conditions (Ashwin, Ojha, Panesar, Rehman etc).
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Herath, in Aus 2012/3, 12w @ 34, e/r 3.02
Panesar, in Aus 2013/4, 3w @ 86, e/r 3.62
Ashwin, in Aus 2011/2, 9w @ 63, e/r 3.36
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12 wickets @34 for an asian spinner in aus is quite a rare feat. infact i can't think of any spin bowler from the subcontinent who's done as well in a series. maybe kumble had a decent one? qadir? murali and harby were net bowlers when they toured.
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Pretty small sample size, that. Herath went wicketless in both first innings at Hobart and the MCG, taking 5 wickets at an economy rate of about 4.5 in the second innings at Hobart when the Aussies were trying to set up a chase, then had a good match taking 7 wickets across the two innings at the SCG.

He does have a decent record in the few matches he's played in SA too tbf, but he had a shocking tour of England in 2011, taking 12 wickets @ 50 (compared to Swann's 12 @ 24), so it will interesting to see how he goes this time.
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Pretty small sample size, that. Herath went wicketless in both first innings at Hobart and the MCG, taking 5 wickets at an economy rate of about 4.5 in the second innings at Hobart when the Aussies were trying to set up a chase, then had a good match taking 7 wickets across the two innings at the SCG.

He does have a decent record in the few matches he's played in SA too tbf, but he had a shocking tour of England in 2011, taking 12 wickets @ 50 (compared to Swann's 12 @ 24), so it will interesting to see how he goes this time.
It really does show the advantages of having a skill set suited to the environment that you develop your skills in.

Herath, slightly low arm but gets flight and dip can be devilishly difficult to get away on slow, low surfaces.

Swann was about away drift and sharp turn on wearing surfaces (i.e. most suited to England).

Lyon is about overspin and bounce which is most suited to Australia.

I would point out that people underestimate the job that Swann did in Australia in 2010/11. To average under 40 there on pitches that generally don't offer turn is a pretty decent effort. He cashed in once when the Adelaide pitch did break up and turn.
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