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Old 28th August 2014, 00:16   #901
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I think that's a conspiracy theory too far, in that it involves the conspiring of e.g. India and Pakistan, the latter of which has in any case the world's tallest bowler, and has very often had the world's best seamers.
Rubbish. You only have to look at how they have tried to cover their tracks by pretending to almost be at war with each other to see that this conspiracy has Mohammad Irfan length legs.

I suppose you think Ebola (LOL) isn't some conspiracy against dirty foreigners either?
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Old 1st September 2014, 15:26   #902
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Batsmen who average 50+ who were still playing after 2000 and the bowlers who got their wickets the most times

58.76 - Sangakkara - Anderson (7)
55.37 - Kallis - Warne/Anderson (7)
53.78 - Tendulkar - Anderson (9)
52.88 - Lara - McGrath (15)
52.65 - Mathews - Ajmal (5)
52.58 - Du Plessis - Johnson/Ajmal (3)
52.31 - Dravid - Warne (8)
52.29 - Yousuf - Murali (9)
51.88 - Chanderpaul - Kumble (7)
51.85 - Ponting - Harbhajan (10)
51.54 - Flower - Younis (6)
51.52 - Hussey - Morkel (8)
51.50 - Clarke - Anderson/Broad/Steyn (9)
51.41 - YKhan - Herath (8)
51.32 - Amla - Johnson (7)
51.06 - SWaugh - Ambrose (11)
51.02 - De Villiers - Broad (7)
50.94 - Root - Harris (5)
50.73 - Hayden - Harbhajan/Ntini (9)

6 of the 19 are left-handed batsmen
2 of the bowlers are left arm, Herath and Johnson
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Old 1st September 2014, 17:35   #903
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Anderson, slayer of the big beasts.

Sangakkara, truly remarkable.
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Old 16th September 2014, 13:53   #904
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Overs bowled in all formats this year so far

607.4 - Anderson
586.4 - Bresnan
532.1 - Finn
500.1 - Woakes
490.3 - Plunkett
470.5 - Jordan
468.4 - Stokes
441.4 - Broad
318.4 - Tremlett
284.2 - Rankin

Injuries this year
Bresnan, Plunkett, Broad, Tremlett, Rankin.

A stable of 10 fast bowlers are needed. I would think that three new names needed to be added to replace Bresnan, Tremlett and Rankin as I don't see them playing many Tests for England in the future. Don't see bowlers in their late 20s having a long stay so I would maybe choose Overton, Gregory and Dunn.

Anderson, Broad and Finn started with England at 20, all have had their teething problems, two of those from change of bowling action. All three were bowling at 90mph at the time. A surprise has been Woakes who started at 82mph and now is reaching 90mph.

Coles (24), Roland-Jones (26), Overton (20), Meaker (25), Gregory (22), Dunn (22), Foottit (28) Brooks (30), Mills (22), Wood (24), Willey (24) Topley (20). Any others?
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How important was bounce to you? Ricky Ponting has said that it is more bounce than pace that gets batsmen out.

Speaking to the guys who were classed the best batsmen in the world - you mentioned Ricky there, [Brian] Lara, [Sachin] Tendulkar, [Rahul] Dravid, guys like that, they said they would rather face someone bowling at 150kph who skidded the ball on rather than someone who bowled mid-130s and got that bounce.

That was one of my weapons. If I tried to bowl too fast, I'd probably go a bit low and I lost that bounce, which I felt was a more dangerous weapon than an extra 4-5kph in pace. That was my strength. I could bowl good areas and I got bounce and a bit of seam movement and that brought all my catchers into play.

McGrath v Lara 15 dismissals
Come late to this thread but remember Alan Border saying it was bounce which made a bowler dangerous. Interesting the batsmen named plus Border none are especially tall. The shorter a batsman is the harder bounce is to handle.
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Old 19th September 2014, 12:00   #906
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Come late to this thread but remember Alan Border saying it was bounce which made a bowler dangerous. Interesting the batsmen named plus Border none are especially tall. The shorter a batsman is the harder bounce is to handle.
Not sure that's strictly true. A shorter batsman always finds it easier to take evasive action to a fast, short pitched delivery.

Also, counter intuitively, perhaps, but there is no reason why a tall bowler has a significant advantage over a shorter bowler in ability to produce bounce.

It is the angle of impact on the wicket that determines the degree of bounce and a few inches differences between bowlers in height make little difference when the distance the ball is travelling horizontally is many yards. Simple trigonometry would demonstrate that.
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England wont use normal sized rotund guys like Rushworth anymore.
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Not sure that's strictly true. A shorter batsman always finds it easier to take evasive action to a fast, short pitched delivery.

Also, counter intuitively, perhaps, but there is no reason why a tall bowler has a significant advantage over a shorter bowler in ability to produce bounce.

It is the angle of impact on the wicket that determines the degree of bounce and a few inches differences between bowlers in height make little difference when the distance the ball is travelling horizontally is many yards. Simple trigonometry would demonstrate that.
Although a wicket is 22 yards long the popping crease at either end means there is 20 yards approximately between batsman and bowler and a good length will be probably 2 yards in front of the batsman. It is not an insignificant difference when put in those terms, and a taller bowler can extract more bounce from a fuller length than a shorter bowler. It is bounce extracted off a fuller length that is deadly. It doesn't follow that a tall bowler will always extract the maximum because factors such as flexibility of the wrist on ball release and how hard they hit the pitch.

For instance someone as tall as Broad may not always extract the bounce he should because he possibly doesn't use all of his height at the point of delivery whereas as a shortie like Marshall never had such problems despite his relative lack of height.
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Actually, the further the ball travels horizontally before it pitches, the less significant a difference in height becomes.

Trigonometry again.
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Actually, the further the ball travels horizontally before it pitches, the less significant a difference in height becomes.

Trigonometry again.
I'd say that at 18 yards from release point to the distance where a ball is pitched is short enough that it makes SOME difference to the outcome of bounce, especially given that the angle of release but again it is the technique of release that is important.
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Not sure about the technique of release and what it involves. Assuming a flat wicket, the main, and probably the only, determinants of bounce are angle of impact and speed and, over that many yards, a few inches more height may make some difference but it is likely to be quite negligible.
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Not sure about the technique of release and what it involves. Assuming a flat wicket, the main, and probably the only, determinants of bounce are angle of impact and speed and, over that many yards, a few inches more height may make some difference but it is likely to be quite negligible.
angle of impact is at least a partial result of height of release. That isn't always going to be just the height of the bowler but also height of the ball at release so can be dependent on arm span. Perhaps the final height of the ball at the point it reaches the batsmen may only be say a couple of inches, but that can be all that it needs to go from being a comfortable stroke to one that the batsman doesn't properly meet and thus gain an edge to.
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I stand by the original point that the height of the bowler is only a very small factor in the amount of bounce achieved.

It may seem counter-intuitive and is contrary to what many commentators would have us believe when they say things like "[tall bowler] is very tall, so will get much more bounce".

Speed of delivery and angle of impact are the all important factors and, over many yards, a tall bowler does not get that much steeper an angle of impact.
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Not sure that's strictly true. A shorter batsman always finds it easier to take evasive action to a fast, short pitched delivery.

Also, counter intuitively, perhaps, but there is no reason why a tall bowler has a significant advantage over a shorter bowler in ability to produce bounce.

It is the angle of impact on the wicket that determines the degree of bounce and a few inches differences between bowlers in height make little difference when the distance the ball is travelling horizontally is many yards. Simple trigonometry would demonstrate that.
I wasn't talking about bouncers, which short batsmen often find easier to evade. I was talking about the bowlers normal deliveries, ball which in cricket parlance get big on the batsman. It's these that shorter batsmen have trouble with.
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Fair enough, Yes, I'd agree with that.
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Test batsmen who average 50+ who were still playing after 2000 and the bowlers who got their wickets the most times

58.76 - Sangakkara - Anderson (7)
55.37 - Kallis - Warne/Anderson (7)
53.78 - Tendulkar - Anderson (9)
52.88 - Lara - McGrath (15)
52.65 - Mathews - Ajmal (5)
52.58 - Du Plessis - Johnson/Ajmal (3)
52.31 - Dravid - Warne (8)
52.29 - Yousuf - Murali (9)
51.88 - Chanderpaul - Kumble (7)
51.85 - Ponting - Harbhajan (10)
51.54 - Flower - Younis (6)
51.52 - Hussey - Morkel (8)
51.50 - Clarke - Anderson/Broad/Steyn (9)
51.41 - YKhan - Herath (8)
51.32 - Amla - Johnson (7)
51.06 - SWaugh - Ambrose (11)
51.02 - De Villiers - Broad (7)
50.94 - Root - Harris (5)
50.73 - Hayden - Harbhajan/Ntini (9)

ODI batsman who average over 50.

54.17 - Amla - Irfan (5)
53.58 - Bevan - Murali (5)
52.85 - Dhoni - Lee (5)
51.57 - Kohli - Rampaul (6)
51.25 - Trott - Jadeja/Lakmal (3)
50.88 - de Villiers - Ajmal (6)

I think South Africa have the best ODI team with 2 batsmen who average over 50 and the bowlers' figures are fantastic. Their wicket-keeper averages 42.82 s/r 90.83 and has 5 100s in only 28 matches and is only 21. Also has the record of fastest to 50 dismissals.

18.90 econ 4.23 s/r 26.8 - Tahir
24.21 econ 4.88 s/r 29.7 - Morkel
25.31 econ 4.44 s/r 34.1 - Philander
25.47 econ 5.16 s/r 29.5 - McLaren
25.64 econ 4.81 s/r 31.9 - Steyn
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Australia's bowling coach talking about his bowlers.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/797921.html

He says Ambrose, Marshall and Akram were the bowlers he admired. My three as well and I would add Donald. The perfect quartet.
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Gough is England's highest impact pace bowler


http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-v...gend-/311.html

http://www.wisdenindia.com/impactind...-hcf-gough.php

http://www.impactindexcricket.com/odi_players.html

In English cricket history, only four bowlers have three series-defining performances Graeme Swann, Darren Gough, Bobby Peel and Derek Underwood. How interesting it is that all but Gough are slow bowlers here.
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Gough is England's highest impact pace bowler


http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-v...gend-/311.html

http://www.wisdenindia.com/impactind...-hcf-gough.php

http://www.impactindexcricket.com/odi_players.html

In English cricket history, only four bowlers have three series-defining performances Graeme Swann, Darren Gough, Bobby Peel and Derek Underwood. How interesting it is that all but Gough are slow bowlers here.
Reflects how quick bowlers compete for wickets with their colleagues, whereas in most cases spinners act alone.
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Reflects how quick bowlers compete for wickets with their colleagues, whereas in most cases spinners act alone.
I suppose that's one way of putting it. But surely if one thinks in those terms, there are 10 wickets to go round in any given innings, and all the bowlers compete with all the other bowlers. Seamers have the advantage that usually two of them will be put on as default bowlers at the start of the innings, whereas a spinner usually has to wait until the seamers have had a go first, and have stopped taking wickets, before he gets a chance. Nonetheless, when one is bowling, no one else is bowling; and a spinner's over is the same length as a seamer's. In the end I think the main difference is that a quick bowler needs to be taken off sooner, because he gets tired, and then he needs to be left in the outfield for longer in between spells.
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