Bowlers and Bowling

[1000yardstare]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-af...y/1076322.html

Since Steyn made his debut ..

Langeveldt (6) - 37.06
Morkel (71)
J Morkel (1) - 132.00
De Wet (2) - 31.00
McLaren (2) - 54.00
Parnell (4) - 36.85
Tsotsobe (5) - 49.77
Philander (39)
De Lange (2) - 30.77
Kleinveldt (4) - 42.20
Abbott (11)
Rabada (13)
Morris (2) - 63.25
Viljoen (1) - 94.00

That's not many fast bowlers needed and only 4 making it to double figures in Tests. The others were injury replacements, not having enough games to improve their figures.

SA played 91 Tests in the last 10 years. In that time England played 127 Tests.

I imagine Steyn to be back in the summer with another 3 years of bowling left. Morkel should be also returning. So Parnell or Olivier have 3 or 4 Tests.

[JRC67]

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-af...y/1076322.html

Since Steyn made his debut ..

Langeveldt (6) - 37.06
Morkel (71)
J Morkel (1) - 132.00
De Wet (2) - 31.00
McLaren (2) - 54.00
Parnell (4) - 36.85
Tsotsobe (5) - 49.77
Philander (39)
De Lange (2) - 30.77
Kleinveldt (4) - 42.20
Abbott (11)
Rabada (13)
Morris (2) - 63.25
Viljoen (1) - 94.00

That's not many fast bowlers needed and only 4 making it to double figures in Tests. The others were injury replacements, not having enough games to improve their figures.

SA played 91 Tests in the last 10 years. In that time England played 127 Tests.

I imagine Steyn to be back in the summer with another 3 years of bowling left. Morkel should be also returning. So Parnell or Olivier have 3 or 4 Tests.

All seam attack of Steyn, Merkel, Rabada and Philander for the summer. Add back ABV and it's a big big ask for England.

[1000yardstare]

Originally Posted by JRC67

All seam attack of Steyn, Merkel, Rabada and Philander for the summer. Add back ABV and it's a big big ask for England.

I think Maharaj will be developed as their spinner and only 3 quicks but a big ask as you say.

Broad will take care of AB. 10 dismissals so far.

[Chin Music]

Originally Posted by JRC67

All seam attack of Steyn, Merkel, Rabada and Philander for the summer. Add back ABV and it's a big big ask for England.

Surely Angela is too busy fighting the German general election to be held later this year?................

[JRC67]

Originally Posted by Chin Music

Surely Angela is too busy fighting the German general election to be held later this year?................

Thank God for predictive texts.

[JRC67]

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

I think Maharaj will be developed as their spinner and only 3 quicks but a big ask as you say.

Broad will take care of AB. 10 dismissals so far.

I'd always have a spinner at Lord's. Trent Bridge and Old Trafford, unless it's a dry summer. I know who I'd want coming on 2cd change and it wouldn't be Rabada or Morkel.

[1000yardstare]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...y/1080691.html

Bumrah is very good but Jordan hasn't bowled badly either at the death.

0.1-6.0
41.0 overs 8 wickets ave 34.00 econ 6.63 - Bumrah
35.2 overs 7 wickets ave 44.28 econ 8.77 - Jordan

5.1-15.0
13.0 overs 5 wickets at 14.80 econ 9.75 - Bumrah
8.4 overs 1 wicket at 67.00 econ 7.73 - Jordan

15.1-20.0
35.1 overs 20 wickets at 12.05 econ 6.85 - Bumrah
33.0 overs 17 wickets at 16.94 econ 8.72 - Jordan

[geoff_boycotts_grandmother]

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...y/1080691.html

Bumrah is very good but Jordan hasn't bowled badly either at the death.

0.1-6.0
41.0 overs 8 wickets ave 34.00 econ 6.63 - Bumrah
35.2 overs 7 wickets ave 44.28 econ 8.77 - Jordan

5.1-15.0
13.0 overs 5 wickets at 14.80 econ 9.75 - Bumrah
8.4 overs 1 wicket at 67.00 econ 7.73 - Jordan

15.1-20.0
35.1 overs 20 wickets at 12.05 econ 6.85 - Bumrah
33.0 overs 17 wickets at 16.94 econ 8.72 - Jordan

Your stats seem to say otherwise.

[1000yardstare]

Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

Your stats seem to say otherwise.

Bumrah is the best though. I should see how Jordan compares to Dernbach or Broad

[geoff_boycotts_grandmother]

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

Bumrah is the best though. I should see how Jordan compares to Dernbach or Broad

He's very comparable to Dernbach.

[1000yardstare]

0.1-6.0
41.0 overs 8 wickets at 34.00 econ 6.63 - Bumrah
35.2 overs 7 wickets at 44.28 econ 8.77 - Jordan
47.0 overs 12 wickets at 29.58 econ 7.55 - Dernbach
89.0 overs 29 wickets at 21.24 econ 6.92 - Broad

5.1-15.0
13.0 overs 5 wickets at 14.80 econ 9.75 - Bumrah
8.4 overs 1 wicket at 67.00 econ 7.73 - Jordan
16.0 overs 3 wickets at 35.33 econ 6.62 - Dernbach
55.0 overs 12 wickets at 34.50 econ 7.52 -Broad

15.1-20.0
35.1 overs 20 wickets at 12.05 econ 6.85 - Bumrah
33.0 overs 17 wickets at 16.94 econ 8.72 - Jordan
49.0 overs 23 wickets at 21.73 econ 10.20 - Dernbach
50.4 overs 24 wickets at 18.62 econ 8.82 - Broad

[wtachetna]

To me the greatest bowler of all time has always been Shoaib Akhtar. I am his big fan. Though I am an Indian I don't find any bowler as good as Pakistan's Shoaib Akhtar. He is a real bowling legend.

[Ali TT]

Originally Posted by wtachetna

To me the greatest bowler of all time has always been Shoaib Akhtar. I am his big fan. Though I am an Indian I don't find any bowler as good as Pakistan's Shoaib Akhtar. He is a real bowling legend.

A good bowler, maybe, but not even Pakistan's greatest ever. In fact, he wasn't even the best to play in the Pakistan sides of his era.

[Chin Music]

Originally Posted by Ali TT

A good bowler, maybe, but not even Pakistan's greatest ever. In fact, he wasn't even the best to play in the Pakistan sides of his era.

Wasim Akram was for me the best that I can recall because of his ridiculous range of skills that lasted beyond the time he started losing pace. Waqar was deadlier at his peak but wasn't quite so dangerous when he last a yard or so.

Can't really remember Imran quite so well to be honest.

[D/L]

I think Fred Trueman was the best I ever saw.

[Ali TT]

Originally Posted by Chin Music

Wasim Akram was for me the best that I can recall because of his ridiculous range of skills that lasted beyond the time he started losing pace. Waqar was deadlier at his peak but wasn't quite so dangerous when he last a yard or so.

Can't really remember Imran quite so well to be honest.

Asif may have been better than Akhtar too.

[geoff_boycotts_grandmother]

Originally Posted by Ali TT

A good bowler, maybe, but not even Pakistan's greatest ever. In fact, he wasn't even the best to play in the Pakistan sides of his era.

Shaoib at his peak was some bowler.

I'd say he was easily their best bowler at his peak (although fair enough if you're arguing that Waqar at his much earlier peak was better).

2002-03 he took 72 wickets at 15.08. That included matches against Australia, SA, WI, NZ. The only side during that spell he took wickets at over 21.80 against was Sri Lanka (in a single test).

Injuries did limit both him and that peak though.

[1000yardstare]

Wickets per match of current bowlers (top 33 in Test rankings)

5.89 - Shah
5.45 - Ashwin
4.76 - Rabada
4.75 - Steyn
4.71 - Jadeja, Cummins
4.66 - Herath
4.23 - Starc
4.13 - Wagner
3.92 - Lyon, Perera
3.98 - Boult
3.90 - Anderson
3.77 - Philander, Hazelwood
3.70 - Maharaj
3.68 - Al-Hasan
3.66 - Southee, Shami, T Islam
3.64 - Bishoo
3.59 - Morkel
3.53 - Broad
3.34 - Roach
3.19 - Riaz
3.00 - Kumar
2.91 - Yadav
2.88 - Sharma
2.66 - Ali
2.60 - Woakes
2.59 - Gabriel
2.31 - Stokes, Lakmal

[billyguntheballs]

Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

Shaoib at his peak was some bowler.

I'd say he was easily their best bowler at his peak (although fair enough if you're arguing that Waqar at his much earlier peak was better).

2002-03 he took 72 wickets at 15.08. That included matches against Australia, SA, WI, NZ. The only side during that spell he took wickets at over 21.80 against was Sri Lanka (in a single test).

Injuries did limit both him and that peak though.

I gotta agree with this. Remember watching his as a kid and he was just fast, so deadly, got swing and reverse, an almost complete fast bowlers and really, along with Lee, the last time we can use the word fast in all its glory.

But we do have to take into account entire careers and ocme backs from injury and Waz is the best Pakistan had and the best I have seen in my life time and arguably the greatest of them all.

[Ali TT]

Originally Posted by billyguntheballs

I gotta agree with this. Remember watching his as a kid and he was just fast, so deadly, got swing and reverse, an almost complete fast bowlers and really, along with Lee, the last time we can use the word fast in all its glory.

But we do have to take into account entire careers and ocme backs from injury and Waz is the best Pakistan had and the best I have seen in my life time and arguably the greatest of them all.

Not sure what you mean by saying "the last time we can use the word fast in all its glory" but in more recent years the likes of Steyn, Morkel, Johnson, Starc, Wahab and Gabriel have all been in a similar pace bracket.