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Old 25th January 2016, 11:59   #161
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A much higher proportion of dismissals to good deliveries and a century to his name, though.

With the series against Sri Lanka starting in May, there will be few opportunities for county openers to impress the selectors, so there must be a danger that Hales will at least get the 1st test.
I would be surprised if he wasn't selected for the first Test. Bayliss feels the need for the majority of the England batsmen to be attacking, so I expect he'll be given time. If Hales can get his SR to around 80 it won't matter that he averages less than 20.
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Old 25th January 2016, 12:06   #162
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Is the bar really being set that low for an opening batsman now?
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Old 25th January 2016, 12:19   #163
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Is the bar really being set that low for an opening batsman now?
In this England side, if you score runs quickly then the runs are more valuable. And if you have the potential to score quickly, you get more time to prove yourself because your still adapting to Test cricket.
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Old 25th January 2016, 12:52   #164
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I would be surprised if he wasn't selected for the first Test. Bayliss feels the need for the majority of the England batsmen to be attacking, so I expect he'll be given time. If Hales can get his SR to around 80 it won't matter that he averages less than 20.
I don't understand why Bayliss feels this need. Big totals are what set up victories. We have two or three players who can make big scores at a good lick, but we don't need most of the team to do this. See off the new ball, tire the bowlers, build a platform, then let the free-scoring batsmen down the order add to it and give the team a formidable total. I don't understand why this is apparently now such an unfashionable idea. One-day cricket is different but these are tests.

Possibly it's because Bayliss hasn't seen this 'unfashionable' method working successfully since he took over. We've had unsuccessful opening partners for Cook, experimentation with the #3 spot and too many situations with England finding themselves 3 wickets down with less than 50 on the board. I don't think it matters a jot having two opening batsman going at a similar pace. A left-hand/right-hand combination is good, and even better would be batting a session without either of them getting out.
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Old 25th January 2016, 15:50   #166
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In this England side, if you score runs quickly then the runs are more valuable. And if you have the potential to score quickly, you get more time to prove yourself because your still adapting to Test cricket.
I have to say I'm a little dubious about the value of a quick 20 runs in test cricket.

Have they been that quick anyway? I doubt Hales' strike rate is better than 50.
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I interpreted CDogg's post as ironic.
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Old 25th January 2016, 15:57   #168
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I interpreted CDogg's post as ironic.
It was.
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Old 25th January 2016, 16:04   #169
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I interpreted CDogg's post as ironic.
Well done on seeing through the heavy disguise!
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I interpreted CDogg's post as ironic.
I think most of us did!!
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Old 25th January 2016, 16:21   #171
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May need to look out for irony with no trace of humour then.
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I think perhaps you are all creating imaginary versions of Trevor Bayliss based upon his one comment. Even so, his apparently flawed alleged philosophy has led to two series victories out of three, an upturn in performance from our LOI teams and a much more enjoyable approach to the game from our players. We've already progressed a long way from the dreaded Moores era.
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I think perhaps you are all creating imaginary versions of Trevor Bayliss based upon his one comment. Even so, his apparently flawed alleged philosophy has led to two series victories out of three, an upturn in performance from our LOI teams and a much more enjoyable approach to the game from our players. We've already progressed a long way from the dreaded Moores era.
I'm not sure you can say his alleged philosophy has led to two series victories.
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I'm not sure you can say his alleged philosophy has led to two series victories.
It's as concrete as any other causal link being made in the posts above. If not a bit more so.
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It's as concrete as any other causal link being made in the posts above. If not a bit more so.
Yes, I guess we don't know anything about Bayliss yet, if we ever will. Maybe he's Australian though (which if so, could be why we beat Australia at least).
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Experiment firmly over. Predictable failure complete.

Even a biased poster should have seen this coming.
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As I recall, Boycott thought Carberry was worth sticking with for a bit longer. But I don't think he's mentioned it for a while now.
He wouldn't have been the worst option at the time as a stop-gap, but aged 35 one suspects he's on the downwards curve and if he wasn't quite good enough to nail the position then, he's unlikely to be a better option now. He's averaged 40 something in each the last three seasons, whereas 2009-11 he averaged over 50 each season.

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I would be surprised if he wasn't selected for the first Test. Bayliss feels the need for the majority of the England batsmen to be attacking, so I expect he'll be given time. If Hales can get his SR to around 80 it won't matter that he averages less than 20.
If Compton had scored at a SR of 80 before getting a ball that kept low he'd have scored 42 in the first innings, which would be a respectable average....

Like Carberry his batting too appears to be on a downward curve, but over the series which suggests that the South Africans are figuring him out better than he's figuring out test cricket.

Small sample size caution applies, but the same seemed to happen in his previous incarnation as an opener where after early success NZ got the measure of him as well.
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Experiment firmly over. Predictable failure complete.

Even a biased poster should have seen this coming.
I did....as you say pretty predictable.
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I did....as you say pretty predictable.
You're not biased!!

Others clearly are....
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Hales has now established himself as our odi opener for a while now. May also indicate he needs a little more time in tests too.
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