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Old 9th April 2008, 17:29   #41
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Meh. We already knew.

We probably know next year's 5 already too. We're that good.
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Old 9th April 2008, 18:21   #42
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We probably know next year's 5 already too. We're that good.
Kallis, Steyn, Broad, Cook and whoever has an outstanding county season
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Old 9th April 2008, 18:24   #43
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Kallis, Steyn, Broad, Cook and whoever has an outstanding county season

You've broken the embargo


(ps. Ambrose will be the 5th)
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Old 9th April 2008, 19:01   #44
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You've broken the embargo


(ps. Ambrose will be the 5th)
You expect him to get dropped pretty soon then, if he's to have a good enough county season to get in the five?
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To add to the accolade of one of the Players of the Year Sibo has been named England's player of the year.
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Old 27th March 2013, 13:26   #48
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In addition, five great cricketers who missed out on being Wisden Cricketers of the Year are named. Inzamam ul-Haq is fondly remembered by Simon Barnes, while four great bowlers are profiled by people who faced their bowling: Jeff Thomson by Ian Chappell, Wes Hall by Tony Cozier, Abdul Qadir by John Woodcock, and Bishan Bedi by Michael Brearley.
I have done quite a lot of work related to this article - at least loosely - since it appeared.

I had always noted Bedi never having been chosen in spite of being the leading wicket-taker for Northamptonshire in 1973, and I can firmly agree with Inzamam and Hall. Thomson and Qadir I find a little questionable by comparison: I was surprised Berry failed to note Arthur Mailey never being chosen though he is too old for anyone who played against him to survive, and Wasim Bari - who was noted and could have been discussed - would have been a fairer choice than either. There are a few others not noted, including the recently deceased Roy Tattersall, who has to be the best English spinner never chosen.

What I have researched and even discussed with Wisden is why some great cricketers missed out in the years surrounding World War I - including Aubrey Faulkner and probably the finest English cricketer of the twentieth century who was never a Cricketer of the Year in Worcestershire’s Fred Root - three special portraits in the 1913, 1921 and 1926 Wisdens. These three portraits ruled out cricketers whose finest work was done in the 1912 (as with Faulkner), 1920 and 1925 (as with Root) summers.
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I have done quite a lot of work related to this article - at least loosely - since it appeared.

I had always noted Bedi never having been chosen in spite of being the leading wicket-taker for Northamptonshire in 1973, and I can firmly agree with Inzamam and Hall. Thomson and Qadir I find a little questionable by comparison: I was surprised Berry failed to note Arthur Mailey never being chosen though he is too old for anyone who played against him to survive, and Wasim Bari - who was noted and could have been discussed - would have been a fairer choice than either. There are a few others not noted, including the recently deceased Roy Tattersall, who has to be the best English spinner never chosen.

What I have researched and even discussed with Wisden is why some great cricketers missed out in the years surrounding World War I - including Aubrey Faulkner and probably the finest English cricketer of the twentieth century who was never a Cricketer of the Year in Worcestershire’s Fred Root - three special portraits in the 1913, 1921 and 1926 Wisdens. These three portraits ruled out cricketers whose finest work was done in the 1912 (as with Faulkner), 1920 and 1925 (as with Root) summers.
A large proportion of bowlers in that list. Despite the maxim that 'bowlers win matches', I do believe there is a latent tendency amongst cricket fans to rate batsmen more highly. A good example of this was Wisden's Five Cricketers of the Century in its 2000 edition - a wide range of players and writers were petitioned for their views and they selected Hobbs, Bradman, Sobers, Richards and Warne. Just one specialist bowler and, in a century increasingly dominated by the fast men, not one quickie.
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A large proportion of bowlers in that list. Despite the maxim that 'bowlers win matches', I do believe there is a latent tendency amongst cricket fans to rate batsmen more highly. A good example of this was Wisden's Five Cricketers of the Century in its 2000 edition - a wide range of players and writers were petitioned for their views and they selected Hobbs, Bradman, Sobers, Richards and Warne. Just one specialist bowler and, in a century increasingly dominated by the fast men, not one quickie.
There's a certain element of snobbery about that. Batting was seen as the gentlemanly discipline whilst all that running in and hard work of bowlers could be left to one's estate staff who you employed partly to look after the estates and partly for their cricketing prowess.

It can also be seen in the thinking that the captain should be a batsman rather than a bowler or, (and you don't mention them at all) a wicketkeeper.

Hobbs' fame is partly that he managed to overcome such prejudices against professionalism (although he managed to overcome such prejudices by being so good in the first place).

Similarly bowling too fast at the gentlemen was then seen as unsporting by firstly the whinging Aussies during the Bodyline controversy when they took to losing very badly and then during the rise of the West Indies when being bounced was no fun, although it was perfectly acceptable for Lillee and Thomson to do. The pick of Warne was a travesty when he wasn't even the best bowler in his side.
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Warne was picked for revitalising leg spin, not really for being the best bowler of the century, as while he was very good, there were several better, including McGrath for one, as you imply.
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Warne was picked for revitalising leg spin, not really for being the best bowler of the century, as while he was very good, there were several better, including McGrath for one, as you imply.
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ps How many leggies are there around in international cricket now as compared to 1993?
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Warne was picked for revitalising leg spin,
I've always found that an odd claim. In the decade prior to Warne's debut, Qadir, Sivaramakrishnan, Hirwani, Mushtaq and Kumble were twirling successfully on the Test stage. In the twenty years pre-Warne, Australia gave caps to Hohns, Sleep, Holland, Higgs, O'Keefe, Jenner and Gleeson. So, legspinning was already around, especially in Australia...Warne just happened to be particularly good at it.
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I've always found that an odd claim. In the decade prior to Warne's debut, Qadir, Sivaramakrishnan, Hirwani, Mushtaq and Kumble were twirling successfully on the Test stage. In the twenty years pre-Warne, Australia gave caps to Hohns, Sleep, Holland, Higgs, O'Keefe, Jenner and Gleeson. So, legspinning was already around, especially in Australia...Warne just happened to be particularly good at it.
Remembering MacGill was a contemporary, who has there been since?

Basically Warne can be said to be responsible for Steve Smith and Chris Schofield.

It's not something you'd really want to boast about.
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I've always found that an odd claim. In the decade prior to Warne's debut, Qadir, Sivaramakrishnan, Hirwani, Mushtaq and Kumble were twirling successfully on the Test stage. In the twenty years pre-Warne, Australia gave caps to Hohns, Sleep, Holland, Higgs, O'Keefe, Jenner and Gleeson. So, legspinning was already around, especially in Australia...Warne just happened to be particularly good at it.
That was always the rationale used. May have been an excuse and he really had compromising photos of the panel.
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