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Old 3rd April 2011, 18:16   #1
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Selection Panel Thread III

Given that the old Selection Panel thread is getting on for two years old and has veered off course slightly I though it would be good to start a new one with the English summer approaching.

To kick off let's talk about the upcoming series against Sri Lanka.

There is one batting spot definitely up for grabs given Paul Collingwood's retirement with four solid candidates for it in Morgan, Taylor, Hildreth and Bopara.

The other question is the make up of the seamers. With Tremlett and Bresnan excelling in Australia the selectors have a decision to make assuming Broad returns to the fold fit. That doesn't include Steven Finn who performed so admirably last year or the fancied Ajmal Shahzad.

Who's in your team for the first test in Cardiff assuming everyone is fit and raring to go?
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Hildreth? (one contentious spot IMO)
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Anderson
Tremlett

Very much go in with the team that finished the Ashes for the first test with the exception of course of the number 6. More than likely they'll go for Morgan as the first in line, but I'd like to see Hildreth given a go, pretty consistent in f/c cricket for a while.
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Are you dropping Broad or assuming he won't be fit?
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Assuming Broady is fit I'd call:

Strauss
Cook
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Taylor
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Broad
Swann
Anderson

I'd think Bresnan would do well in early season conditions and I love the batting depth we'd have with him in the side. Personally the 6th spot would go to Taylor for me who has scored 1000 runs in County Cricket 2 years running and had a pretty successful tour to the Windies this winter.

I think blooding a young player at number 6 like that can only be a good thing and by doing it this way we'll avoid a situation like we had with Ian Bell.
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Are you dropping Broad or assuming he won't be fit?
Dropping him with the notion that he goes out and knocks over a few sides first before he gets selected. Bresnan was excellent in the 4th and 5th tests and fully deserves first go on the back of helping seal an away series victory with some of the best reverse swing bowled by and England bowler since Simon Jones, ergo he deserves his spot in the team. Broad hadn't performed that well in tests for a while, unlike his usually consistent ODI performances.
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I imagine the preferred trio of quicks is now Anderson, Broad and Tremlett, with Shahzad, Bresnan and Finn their respective understudies. Bresnan did very well in Australia, but I can't see them excluding Broad if he can get some games behind him. Tremlett or Finn could go either way but I'd expect them to go for the former as he is now the complete product whereas Finn still has some physical and tactical development ahead of him.

Morgan seems a shoo-in for No.6, based on selections over the last year. You could read his decision to go to the IPL either way; it may harm his chances, but it suggests to me that he's been tipped the wink and doesn't feel he has to prove himself in early season county games. I'd like to see him make some CC centuries as his first-class record is mediocre; Bopara's is better and he would be my choice at this stage, down the order where his weaknesses will be minimised.
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I imagine the preferred trio of quicks is now Anderson, Broad and Tremlett, with Shahzad, Bresnan and Finn their respective understudies. Bresnan did very well in Australia, but I can't see them excluding Broad if he can get some games behind him. Tremlett or Finn could go either way but I'd expect them to go for the former as he is now the complete product whereas Finn still has some physical and tactical development ahead of him.

Morgan seems a shoo-in for No.6, based on selections over the last year. You could read his decision to go to the IPL either way; it may harm his chances, but it suggests to me that he's been tipped the wink and doesn't feel he has to prove himself in early season county games. I'd like to see him make some CC centuries as his first-class record is mediocre; Bopara's is better and he would be my choice at this stage, down the order where his weaknesses will be minimised.

It certainly wouldn't shock me if out of the team I selected that Broad did indeed play ahead of Bresnan and Morgan played instead at 6, there would be a certain amount of a pecking order that was in place ahead of the test series in Australia, however I would prefer if the selectors looked at cold hard results, those of Bresnan counting for something in tests albeit we are extraploting those of a miserly two tests and a judgement based on f/c cricket in the absence of a real record in tests as regards replacing Collingwood.
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Might be a slightly long tail though so would consider Bresnan for Finn. IMO Broad needs to show that a) he's fit again b) take a bucket load of wickets to displace Bresnan/Finn as he test form of late has been almost as bad as Anderson's ODI form.
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Tremlett
Anderson
Finn

Might be a slightly long tail though so would consider Bresnan for Finn. IMO Broad needs to show that a) he's fit again b) take a bucket load of wickets to displace Bresnan/Finn as he test form of late has been almost as bad as Anderson's ODI form.
If you pick 7 batsman then you should always pick your best bowlers, no?
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It certainly wouldn't shock me if out of the team I selected that Broad did indeed play ahead of Bresnan and Morgan played instead at 6, there would be a certain amount of a pecking order that was in place ahead of the test series in Australia, however I would prefer if the selectors looked at cold hard results, those of Bresnan counting for something in tests albeit we are extraploting those of a miserly two tests and a judgement based on f/c cricket in the absence of a real record in tests as regards replacing Collingwood.
All true enough, but you just know there are some players who will always be wished back in at the first opportunity.

Given a level playing field, I think I'd just favour Broad in any case. Bresnan was excellent in Australia, is a better batsman and can bowl the long overs that the four-man attack will sometimes necessitate.

I don't much like Broad - he doesn't make the most of talents, blows hot and cold and shows less bowling intelligence than he is often credited with. But he does have that precious killer instinct which can win Test matches. At heart I think he's a bit of a glory hunter like Andy Caddick was; it makes him very frustrating to watch, but also someone who they are likely to stick with through thick and thin and probably for the right reasons.
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All true enough, but you just know there are some players who will always be wished back in at the first opportunity.

Given a level playing field, I think I'd just favour Broad in any case. Bresnan was excellent in Australia, is a better batsman and can bowl the long overs that the four-man attack will sometimes necessitate.

I don't much like Broad - he doesn't make the most of talents, blows hot and cold and shows less bowling intelligence than he is often credited with. But he does have that precious killer instinct which can win Test matches. At heart I think he's a bit of a glory hunter like Andy Caddick was; it makes him very frustrating to watch, but also someone who they are likely to stick with through thick and thin and probably for the right reasons.
I think it's easy to forget that Broad is only 24. He's certainly ahead of where the likes of Zaheer, Anderson and Morkel were at that age. Only maybe Steyn would have been ahead of him then and I think 24 was about the age Steyn started to really come good.
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Yeah, I thought gbg's side was amusing too. Problem is he'll probably now try to pretend he was serious.
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Why would you want Swann in early season conditions against a team that is good against spin?
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I'd pick:

Cook
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Trott
Pietersen
Bell (so far so straightforward)
Taylor
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Broad
Swann
Tremlett
Anderson

There's plenty to be said for all the viable options at number 6 (considering Taylor, Morgan, Bopara and Hildreth) but I'd go with the extremely promising youngster. He's got bags of talent and plenty of county and A tour runs behind him. England will probably pick Morgan though and I accept that Taylor is a slight punt. My problem with Morgan is that I think he is too. Grannie isn't entirely wrong pointing at ODI form as trumping CC in some ways but Morgan needs to prove he can build the longer innings often enough and I'd say his albeit fitful test career so far would mostly support the concerns that his FC record suggests. I don't entirely mind him buggering off to play IPL but doing so means he isn't dealing with my concerns and therefore isn't my pick. He's also not exactly got recent solid ODI runs behind him either.

I think Broad is still just ahead of the admirable but I feel more limited Bresnan. Like gbg, I think we've got a lot more to come from him.
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If they're going to go for someone new, I think it's more likely to be Hildreth. Giving him the captaincy of the spring Lions tour felt like a bit of a test when they could easily have let it rest with Gale.
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I haven't seen enough of Hildreth or Taylor to know which I'd go for and I suspect that England will start off with Morgan or Bopara but you never know. I also think that if Broad is fit they will pick him.
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