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Old 2nd May 2011, 00:54   #141
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If he'd been in good form you might have a point, but he hasn't so you don't.
I don't think it matters, he's a nailed on cert.
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Woakes has the potential to offer England a good number of options. It's great to see him in such superb form with both bat and ball and it should be enough to warrant more ODI games - particularly with how he performed in his few chances down under. However i think it will still be too early to bring him into the test set up, I'd like to see him playing regular domestic cricket and continuing his form and development as opposed to being ruined as a water carrier that we've seen happen to so many young prospects.

In the long run we have the potential to have some very good balance and plenty of exciting combinations we can tinker with. The problem though seems to be we have quite a number of current or up and coming bowling allrounders (Broad, Swann, Woakes, Rashid, Harris, Bresnan) but we're still struggling to really find that number 6 batting all-rounder. The players listed could all potentially provide us with some great depth but I don't think any are quite up to batting at 6, Woakes or Rashid are perhaps the most likely.
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Is Harris really a potential allrounder? Or is he a good bowler who bats a it - a number 9 maybe?
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Woakes has the potential to offer England a good number of options. It's great to see him in such superb form with both bat and ball and it should be enough to warrant more ODI games - particularly with how he performed in his few chances down under. However i think it will still be too early to bring him into the test set up, I'd like to see him playing regular domestic cricket and continuing his form and development as opposed to being ruined as a water carrier that we've seen happen to so many young prospects.

In the long run we have the potential to have some very good balance and plenty of exciting combinations we can tinker with. The problem though seems to be we have quite a number of current or up and coming bowling allrounders (Broad, Swann, Woakes, Rashid, Harris, Bresnan) but we're still struggling to really find that number 6 batting all-rounder. The players listed could all potentially provide us with some great depth but I don't think any are quite up to batting at 6, Woakes or Rashid are perhaps the most likely.
Ben Stokes will be your man.
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Old 2nd May 2011, 10:13   #145
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Is Harris really a potential allrounder? Or is he a good bowler who bats a it - a number 9 maybe?
I'd say a good bowler that bats, but definitely has the ability to get 50s.
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Old 4th May 2011, 18:12   #146
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Prsess conference at Lords tomorrow. Presumably Strauss is standing down as one day skipper and Cook takes over.
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Prsess conference at Lords tomorrow. Presumably Strauss is standing down as one day skipper and Cook takes over.
Why couldn't he be saying he's going to carry on? I feel he has been hounded out by the media expectations. Well not hounded, exactly, but "persuaded".
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Why couldn't he be saying he's going to carry on? I feel he has been hounded out by the media expectations. Well not hounded, exactly, but "persuaded".
Would be a bit odd. I dont see that at all re media. My guess is he's doing it for family and to make sure hes around for the next ashes at least. I cant see why he would want to carry on - or what would be the point .
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Would be a bit odd. I dont see that at all re media. My guess is he's doing it for family and to make sure hes around for the next ashes at least. I cant see why he would want to carry on - or what would be the point .
Because he's a better option than the man who is expected to replace him.
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Maybe they'll grow a pair and appoint KP (or grow a ball and apoint Bell) as the captain instead of shoe-horning Cook into the side and thus starting us on the road that we've travelled down many times before.
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Because he's a better option than the man who is expected to replace him.
Maybe so but hes 34 and wont make the next world cup. Its pointless him hanging around especially if it over burdens him and lead to a premature departure from tests.
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Maybe so but hes 34 and wont make the next world cup. Its pointless him hanging around especially if it over burdens him and lead to a premature departure from tests.
Yeah, agree would like to see KP given the gig, it may bring the best out of him. I still can't help wonder about the batting order, I'd still bring Cook in, I think he has a good career in ODI's potentially, just think at least two positions in the order are questionable.

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Open with Kies and Davies, put Butler down the order. Woakes is your allrounder.
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Yeah, agree would like to see KP given the gig, it may bring the best out of him. I still can't help wonder about the batting order, I'd still bring Cook in, I think he has a good career in ODI's potentially, just think at least two positions in the order are questionable.

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You don't give someone the captaincy as some kind of rehabilitation therapy. It's an honour and should go to someone who wants to play cricket whether he's captain or not.
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You don't give someone the captaincy as some kind of rehabilitation therapy. It's an honour and should go to someone who wants to play cricket whether he's captain or not.
I thought KP brought aggression to the England captaincy in his brief tenure and it seemed to filter through to his own game. The notion that he doesn't want to play cricket is frivolous and has no merit, nor does the notion that it was as some part of rehabilitation therapy. Best man for the job is the criteria, Strauss keeps test captaincy, KP for ODI captain.
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Yeah, agree would like to see KP given the gig, it may bring the best out of him. I still can't help wonder about the batting order, I'd still bring Cook in, I think he has a good career in ODI's potentially, just think at least two positions in the order are questionable.

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Not gonna happen.

Presume if Bopara is the test 6 he will be in there too. KP could be the odd man out you know.
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Also there is no way we should leave Butler out of our ODI team. His strike-rate and average is immense.
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Not gonna happen.

Presume if Bopara is the test 6 he will be in there too. KP could be the odd man out you know.
Small county bias there Kim. Not sure about Ravi being in either tbh. On 2 years form it wouldnt exactly be unmerited for KP to miss out, but the retention of Bell would be. 99 matches for one ton and so few scores that have changed the course of the game, on yer bike sunshine. He can succeed in the might cauldron of domestic 40 over cricket where I'm sure you'll welcome him.
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Small county bias there Kim. Not sure about Ravi being in either tbh. On 2 years form it wouldnt exactly be unmerited for KP to miss out, but the retention of Bell would be. 99 matches for one ton and so few scores that have changed the course of the game, on yer bike sunshine. He can succeed in the might cauldron of domestic 40 over cricket where I'm sure you'll welcome him.
I bet you three pints at a Warrington do they dont drop him ( last of big spenders me).
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