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Old 17th December 2012, 23:45   #1
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What now???

A win in India was the landmark I was waiting for (I think even the great Australian team didn't win out there), but what now?

NZ are a mess and England should win particularly if they continue their policy of alienating any batsman who looks competent at test level. No-one will be surprised if England steam-roller them.

I can't get worked up about a home series against the Convicts. They're a team in transition and we should be beating them easily. Beating them doesn't enhance England's reputation and even if we lose, there's another bloody series straight after.

So what does England need to do to move to the next level?

Win in Sri Lanka and Pakistan but having toured there this year (well UAE), we're presumably not due there for a while.

Is our next wrong to right to win in the West Indies?

When do we go to South Africa?
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Old 18th December 2012, 01:36   #2
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A win in India was the landmark I was waiting for (I think even the great Australian team didn't win out there), but what now?

NZ are a mess and England should win particularly if they continue their policy of alienating any batsman who looks competent at test level. No-one will be surprised if England steam-roller them.

I can't get worked up about a home series against the Convicts. They're a team in transition and we should be beating them easily. Beating them doesn't enhance England's reputation and even if we lose, there's another bloody series straight after.

So what does England need to do to move to the next level?

Win in Sri Lanka and Pakistan but having toured there this year (well UAE), we're presumably not due there for a while.

Is our next wrong to right to win in the West Indies?

When do we go to South Africa?
Getting back to #1 should be the objective, which will require that we win in SA. Our seam bowling, spinners and batting will need to be at their best to conquer that summit.
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Old 18th December 2012, 06:59   #3
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A while away, but winning the world cup?
Winning in South Africa would be a big achievement but we have a good record there recently-won and drawn our last two series. In contrast we haven't won a series at home to SA since 1997.
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Old 18th December 2012, 08:08   #4
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Personally, two more Ashes wins would be on my wish list. England winning in India and South Africa is old hat, but I've never previously experienced four successive wins over the Old Enemy. In fact, one would have to be around 130 years of age to have done so.
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Old 18th December 2012, 13:12   #5
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I'd have to have the Ashes series high up my agenda. I'd never assume to be beating the Aussies "easily", but if we do, I'll be celebrating!

I suppose if you're talking about going up to the "next level", then the answer is to become invincible against all-comers. But that's been talked up before, and one swallow doesn't make a winter. It was only a few weeks ago that many posters were bemoaning that 2012 had been "ordinary".
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Old 18th December 2012, 13:47   #6
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Id like a one day tourno at last - so winning the Champions Tropy under Giles at Edgbaston next summer would be good. Next big winter looks like 2015/16 when we are away to Pakistan and then South Africa

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Old 18th December 2012, 15:44   #7
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Aus could be interesting. Their batting is limited to a couple of players but they have a potentially excellent (and deep) pace bowling lineup, if fit.

Btw, Aus did win in India in 2004. They had earlier been schooled by Laxman in 2001-ish.
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Old 18th December 2012, 16:07   #8
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A win in India was the landmark I was waiting for (I think even the great Australian team didn't win out there), but what now?
How dare you!

Remember the series that Gilchrist largely captained when Ponting was injured!
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Old 18th December 2012, 16:11   #9
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And Sachin was injured.
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Old 18th December 2012, 16:57   #10
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The Ozzies did beat India in '04.
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Old 18th December 2012, 16:59   #11
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I'd have to have the Ashes series high up my agenda. I'd never assume to be beating the Aussies "easily", but if we do, I'll be celebrating!
Just received confirmation of my Lord's Ashes tickets - hurrah! Another benefit of being a county member.

Paul, many thanks for the books. I'll message you via social media shortly!
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Old 18th December 2012, 17:00   #12
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SRT played the last two tests in '04 and leaving that one innings at Mumbai he flopped
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Old 18th December 2012, 17:05   #13
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Big landmark indeed, thought it'd be the crunch Test of Egland this year along with the SA Series. Passed with great resilience, spirit and no little skill.
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Old 18th December 2012, 22:50   #14
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Aus could be interesting. Their batting is limited to a couple of players but they have a potentially excellent (and deep) pace bowling lineup, if fit.

Btw, Aus did win in India in 2004. They had earlier been schooled by Laxman in 2001-ish.
I'm sure one particular Aussie will be predicting 10-0 Australia based on this fact alone.....
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Aus could be interesting. Their batting is limited to a couple of players but they have a potentially excellent (and deep) pace bowling lineup, if fit.
Hastings? Johnson?
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For any team, the ultimate goal should be winning, regardless of the opposition, condition, location, etc. If you can add flair and ruthlessness to it, then you might even call yourself a great team.
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Old 20th December 2012, 11:36   #17
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For any team, the ultimate goal should be winning, regardless of the opposition, condition, location, etc. If you can add flair and ruthlessness to it, then you might even call yourself a great team.


What a refreshing change from the view that lesser teams are not worth our best efforts and best team. Also, sad to say, a view held by one or two players, encouraged by commentators who applaud players who only rise to the occasion on the biggest stage.
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What a refreshing change from the view that lesser teams are not worth our best efforts and best team. Also, sad to say, a view held by one or two players, encouraged by commentators who applaud players who only rise to the occasion on the biggest stage.
I think that's an exaggeration. I think it's more a feeling that those individuals who tend to fill their boots against poor opposition, but fail against the better sides can be somewhat questioned even if their superficial record looks good.
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I think that's an exaggeration. I think it's more a feeling that those individuals who tend to fill their boots against poor opposition, but fail against the better sides can be somewhat questioned even if their superficial record looks good.
I accept the point you are making but it wasn't what I was saying. ConfusedMale says that to be a great team we have to beat all oppositions in all conditions and be ruthless. But there is an attitude that when playing the lesser teams we don't need to play our best team, or, among the members of the team selected, it isn't necesary for those who have proved themselves against the best opposition to knock themelves out; and, as I suggested, this is more or less given sanction by pundits admiring them because they like the big stage. Well they all like the big stage and would all love to do well on it. Isn't it patronising to assume otherwise? And insulting to the weaker teams for England not to perform at their best?
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And insulting to the weaker teams for England not to perform at their best?
I think it depends on the context of the weaker teams. England habitually sent understrength sides to WI, India, NZ and Pakistan in those nations' nascent Test years, with the result that those sides gained a footing quicker than had they been bulldozed by the very best XIs available. I was pleased when England didn't send its optimum team to Bangladesh last time around and would hope that, when Ireland or whoever else are added to the Test firmament, they won't be routinely obliterated in their first ten or fifteen years - cos, what's the point in adding new teams if they never get off the ground?
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