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Old 23rd July 2013, 15:50   #21
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Old 23rd July 2013, 16:02   #22
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It's a possibility but just don't see any plausible options.
Agree totally which is why I said develop - none of those I mentioned are at the level - but it is the only way we will get 2 spinners in at home.
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Old 23rd July 2013, 16:05   #23
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What the selectors did worked very well at Lord's, we can't knock them for that. Some may have picked a different side, but we can't tell how that might have worked out in contrast.
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What kind of thing do you mean exactly? And even if you were to want to be guided by my expectations, how would you know what they were?
Guesswork. How on earth can we know anything else about anyone's thoughts or expectations? We have a set of modelling software in our brains that allow us to speculate with more or less success, don't we?

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Not as useful as a decent leggie or left-armer would be. I take the point about the third seamer when the ball is doing plenty still after 15--20 overs. Overall it's a question of how frequent or crucial the times are when the particular type of gap in the bowling attack would prove costly. It's also evident how much difference the bowling options already available in the top six might make to which bowlers are picked at 8--11.
Thing is, if you have only two pace bowlers and you want one bowling with the new ball for a while, you probably have to bring the spinner on even before that. You might get 10 overs, then bring the spinner on, spelling the remaining pace bowler with the one you brought off a few overs later. If you've got a really useful medium pace bowler in your batsmen you can run it differently but we don't.

Do we have a decent leggie? As in, is there even anyone we can pick who might serve?

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I don't know that. Is this a way of saying you can't help yourself?
I think you're just pretending that you don't know that but it's a fiction that's easy to sustain, bearing in mind the above.

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Or new-ish at least. Fair enough -- even though you might be pleasantly surprised by what your spinner could do with a new-ish ball. But it's a damned shame for it to come down to deciding the matter before start of play, especially as one might hope not to decide it selectorially at all.
You can't decide it by picking 12 or 13 in the first test of a series and see how they all do though.

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Broad's far better, in my view.
He's not far better, for me but he is better, yes.

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I'm sure we will be able to afford the third seamer in that sense, given that we're much better than Australia overall either way. But then I wonder how much of a risk it would be to play Kerrigan. I think we could probably afford that too.
That's an argument for giving him a go, I suppose but not a compelling argument to me, because I think we should be picking a side best placed to win each test it plays, with only minor thought given to developing new players, although there often is a need to rest tired fast bowlers (one of their many disadvantages, as you know).
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