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Old 6th May 2012, 23:32   #141
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Wouldn't Warney have loved the DRS back in 2005?
Don't think he would have 'cos there were quite a few dodgy decisions went his way. The Aussie who would really have benefitted was Martyn. He got some absolute howlers.
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Old 7th May 2012, 03:25   #142
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Don't think he would have 'cos there were quite a few dodgy decisions went his way. The Aussie who would really have benefitted was Martyn. He got some absolute howlers.
Very very true and sad.
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Old 9th May 2012, 09:49   #143
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Don't think he would have 'cos there were quite a few dodgy decisions went his way. The Aussie who would really have benefitted was Martyn. He got some absolute howlers.
Regardless KP's tactics of 2005 would not survive under DRS, as we can plainly see. No doubt we would have retained the Ashes back then had the DRS been in place.
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Old 9th May 2012, 09:55   #144
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Regardless KP's tactics of 2005 would not survive under DRS, as we can plainly see. No doubt we would have retained the Ashes back then had the DRS been in place.
Almost any small change would have had the same result, e.g. Warne not dropping that easy catch, Ponting not being such a dick, etc.
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Old 9th May 2012, 10:14   #145
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I remember in the Lord's test hearing warne asking the umpire "are we not playing lb today?" With drs I dread to think how many wickets warne and murali would have taken.
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Regardless KP's tactics of 2005 would not survive under DRS, as we can plainly see. No doubt we would have retained the Ashes back then had the DRS been in place.
Capey's tactics might not have survived, but they would have evolved. That's one of the hallmark of champions: the way they adapt and evolve. It would have been an equally fascinating battle to see Capey take on the likes of Warne and McGrath under DRS and to see how they all reacted to it.

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I remember in the Lord's test hearing warne asking the umpire "are we not playing lb today?" With drs I dread to think how many wickets warne and murali would have taken.
Exactly, it's exactly to negate that sort of sledging and pressurising of the umpire that we need DRS for.

The trouble is that "Umpire's Call" has increased the importance of intimidating umpires on the tight calls.

No doubt Warne and Murali would get more Umpire's Call decisions than bowlers lacking the reputation and intimidatory skills of those two.
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Exactly, it's exactly to negate that sort of sledging and pressurising of the umpire that we need DRS for.

The trouble is that "Umpire's Call" has increased the importance of intimidating umpires on the tight calls.

No doubt Warne and Murali would get more Umpire's Call decisions than bowlers lacking the reputation and intimidatory skills of those two.
Irrelevant - all Warnies LB's were plumb.
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Irrelevant - all Warnies LB's were plumb.
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Old 26th May 2012, 02:12   #149
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Without having seen any footage sounds like another good day for the DRS at Trent Bridge.
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Strauss has become very good at deciding what to refer. He and Prior seem to have got the hang of it (i.e. don't listen to Broad)
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Strauss has become very good at deciding what to refer. He and Prior seem to have got the hang of it (i.e. don't listen to Broad)
That said, he tried and failed to convince Anderson to refer two of his appeals that were missing the stumps by some distance!

My growing appreciation for Anderson is making me worried that I've been taking my girlfriend's pill instead of paracetamol during my recent spell of flu.
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That said, he tried and failed to convince Anderson to refer two of his appeals that were missing the stumps by some distance!

My growing appreciation for Anderson is making me worried that I've been taking my girlfriend's pill instead of paracetamol during my recent spell of flu.
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Good to see the umpires checking the legitimacy of wicket taking deliveries more (two of England's which stood, and one of the Windies' that didn't).
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Are we up to 8 over-turned decisions in the two Tests? To be honest I've lost count.
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Interesting how in series that have the DRS implemented most of the armchair arguments tend to revolve around which way 50:50 LBW decisions should have gone. And somehow this seems to have the effect of devaluing the system.

Now we have had one Test in Sri Lanka without the system which had half a dozen dodgy decisions in the first couple of days alone, most of which would have been easily clarified by the DRS system.

The ICC seems keen on making the system compulsory, but the BCCI are still resistive with one of the key reasons being that the system is imperfect (somehow sh1tloads better than what we currently have doesn't cut it).

I'm sure the real bugbear is the cost of implementation - in which case cricket will deserve to continue to be a laughing stock in international sport.
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I don't think cost is an issue for the BCCI and whilst I don't trust their motive I am sympathetic to their stance. TV technology is brought into sports with the claim that it will make all decisions correct and remove judicial controversies. However, it doesn't and whilst it may be better than just human judgement it has failed to remove controversy, therefore failed at its task. Its one thing for a player to get the rough end of the stick from an umpire, but another to be given out/not out by "TV" when the TV has clearly erred.
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I don't think cost is an issue for the BCCI and whilst I don't trust their motive I am sympathetic to their stance. TV technology is brought into sports with the claim that it will make all decisions correct and remove judicial controversies. However, it doesn't and whilst it may be better than just human judgement it has failed to remove controversy, therefore failed at its task. Its one thing for a player to get the rough end of the stick from an umpire, but another to be given out/not out by "TV" when the TV has clearly erred.
I am also a little sympathetic to BBCI's argument, but the highlighted bit is false. DRS is brought in to make decisions better. Nothing will remove incorrect decisions altogether, and less than nothing will remove controversies. DRS hasn't failed, because it has been used to overturn many incorrect decisions, but it is, as you say, better than human judgement in many cases.

That's not to say it's perfect, and it's not to say there isn't room for improvement (even if we accept that it will never be perfect). There are some obvious kinks that need to be ironed out, but that will happen a lot faster now that most countries have accepted it and it's been put to use. It's unrealistic to expect such a system to come in to being, already flawless. I also disagree on your last point. I think that reducing the number of errors far outweighs where they came from - I'd rather have 1 incorrect DRS lbw than 3 incorrect umpire ones (if that's the choice).
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I'd rather have the same scenario. I was slightly playing devils advocate (doesn't the BCCI position stem primarily from a couple of decisions they felt were unfair in the WC?). I think one of the problems with any technology being introduced to sport is that it still requires human interpretation, either by the law-makers or from the officials on the day. Cricket is actually better than most other sports. I can think of rugby with the on-field ref being able to ask two very different questions "Try-Yes or No?" or "Is there any reason I can't award a try?", which completely change the interpretation of the TV footage. Plus, there seems to be confusion as to what can and can't be adjudged from TV footage (is it just line decisions, e.g. grounding, out of play), or can the TV ref pick up on other infringements, e.g. a high tackle such as Youngs got in his try at Ellis Park last week.

Anyway, I'm ranting about a different sport now! American football, which has a much longer history of using TV replays has a similar issue with "interpretation".
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I'd rather have the same scenario. I was slightly playing devils advocate (doesn't the BCCI position stem primarily from a couple of decisions they felt were unfair in the WC?). I think one of the problems with any technology being introduced to sport is that it still requires human interpretation, either by the law-makers or from the officials on the day. Cricket is actually better than most other sports. I can think of rugby with the on-field ref being able to ask two very different questions "Try-Yes or No?" or "Is there any reason I can't award a try?", which completely change the interpretation of the TV footage. Plus, there seems to be confusion as to what can and can't be adjudged from TV footage (is it just line decisions, e.g. grounding, out of play), or can the TV ref pick up on other infringements, e.g. a high tackle such as Youngs got in his try at Ellis Park last week.

Anyway, I'm ranting about a different sport now! American football, which has a much longer history of using TV replays has a similar issue with "interpretation".
Fair enough. I just remember Indian comments about biased or blind umpiring previously (not that it is unique to India). Funnily enough, that hasn't been as big a problem since the attempt to discredit DRS has begun. I think your comment about human interaction no matter what system is used, is spot on. I used to highlight that when people were advocating technology as the solution to all problems and one of the reasons it can never be perfect.

Your post also reminds me I also meant to comment on 3hard's statement that cricket will be a laughing stock. To be fair, as well as the sports you list above, cricket is far from alone. For example, there was a laughable decision in the Pacquiao/Bradley fight recently and we continue to see football embarrassing itself with goalline decisions as well as missed dives etc and other inconsistencies.
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Yes, I think part of the reason I'm not impressed with the BCCI's approach is that it was in part their hounding of Bucknor that finally made the ICC bring in DRS.

I think cricket does better out of using DRS in that in general the umpires are still respected and the debate focusses on enabling umpires to get the decisions right more often. In football, everyone from players, fans, managers and pundits just lambasts the referee (a la Alan Green "that's a shocker") and never empathises with the difficulty in making the decision. If TV replays were used and controversial decisions still occurred then no sensible debate could be held.
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