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Old 24th January 2014, 09:52   #21
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OK, I admit it. I was (and possibly still am) not totally convinced that he is a genuine Test/International allrounder. But the bloke keeps delivering - play him as a frontline ODI bowler (home ODI's) and he stands up, a Test number 6 and he scores a ton, Test seemer and he takes a six for, now bat him at 3 in ODI and he scores 70. So what the hell do I know? Long may it continue.
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Old 24th January 2014, 12:30   #22
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...and takes 4fer too. Good day for him today.
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Old 28th April 2015, 14:50   #23
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With the majority of people agreeing that Stokes should be in the ODI side due to the way he plays the game, would you include him in the squad for the match against Ireland regardless if he plays against the West Indies.

For me, at this stage in his career he is most valuable to England in the one day game and the more matches he plays now will help England in the long run.
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Old 28th April 2015, 17:59   #24
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Surely, all players get selected on the basis of the way they play the game.

He's still worth a punt but I doubt we'll ever see the superstardom that many predicted for him.
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Old 28th April 2015, 18:38   #25
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His best format is one day cricket but he won't be able to play in the first game of a new era because he playing Test cricket in the Caribbean, a format he has not yet excelled in. After the WC I thought we were taking ODI cricket more seriously.
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Old 28th April 2015, 19:02   #26
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His best format is one day cricket but he won't be able to play in the first game of a new era because he playing Test cricket in the Caribbean, a format he has not yet excelled in. After the WC I thought we were taking ODI cricket more seriously.
First ODI of a new era? FFS it's a one-off v Ireland. Stokes, the only centurion in the ill-fated Ashes tour, is playing test cricket in the Caribbean. I hope he continues to play test cricket. Of course he has a long way to go but give him time. There is no evidence that he isn't also going to be a regular ODI player as well.
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Got a weird kink in his run up, feel this might lose him some momentum at the crease. Needs coaching out, methinks.
This kink seems to have gone. Even though he's been expensive recently, he seems to have a more rhythmic run up and action.
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His best format is one day cricket but he won't be able to play in the first game of a new era because he playing Test cricket in the Caribbean, a format he has not yet excelled in. After the WC I thought we were taking ODI cricket more seriously.
Erm, Test cricket comes first and Stokes is a vital cog to the test team. you don't drop test players so they can play meaningless one off promotional games in ireland.
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Old 26th May 2015, 14:41   #29
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Erm, Test cricket comes first and Stokes is a vital cog to the test team. you don't drop test players so they can play meaningless one off promotional games in ireland.
Stokes is now looking like a vital cog in the test team, not sure this was the case a couple of months ago.

I hope Stokes can stay in form for the ODIs, but again finding a position for him would be difficult. Taylor should bat at three, Root at four and Morgan and five. That would leave Stokes at six, but I would like to see him further up the order.
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Old 26th May 2015, 15:03   #30
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Stokes is now looking like a vital cog in the test team, not sure this was the case a couple of months ago.

I hope Stokes can stay in form for the ODIs, but again finding a position for him would be difficult. Taylor should bat at three, Root at four and Morgan and five. That would leave Stokes at six, but I would like to see him further up the order.
That's the type of thinking that got Moores sacked.

You build your side around someone like Stokes, not someone like Taylor.
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Old 26th May 2015, 15:04   #31
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That's the type of thinking that got Moores sacked.

You build your side around someone like Stokes, not someone like Taylor.
Putting morgan in your team before stokes is folly.

The odi Middle order should be built around stokes and Buttler.
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Putting morgan in your team before stokes is folly.

The odi Middle order should be built around stokes and Buttler.
Strauss has already said Morgan is going to remain as ODI captain, so he'll bat at five.
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Old 26th May 2015, 15:07   #33
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That's the type of thinking that got Moores sacked.

You build your side around someone like Stokes, not someone like Taylor.
Taylor is a quality ODI player. Stokes is of course a very good player and should have a key batting role, but not at the expense of Taylor.
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Taylor is a quality ODI player. Stokes is of course a very good player and should have a key batting role, but not at the expense of Taylor.
Taylor is too small to stick up for himself in the pivotal no. 3 spot. Look at the way Gary "shirt off for the lasses" Ballance so easily kicked him to the other end of the engine room. Then imagine whether or not he'll be able to hold off Stokes. I doubt it. The guy has tattoos and quite a snarl.
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That's the type of thinking that got Moores sacked.

You build your side around someone like Stokes, not someone like Taylor.
Taylor should be captain and when Morgan fails a few more times he should be brought in, if not already selected.
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Taylor is a quality ODI player. Stokes is of course a very good player and should have a key batting role, but not at the expense of Taylor.
That's the type of stupidity that got Moores sacked.
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Stokes is now looking like a vital cog in the test team, not sure this was the case a couple of months ago. ...
It certainly wasn't the case a couple of months ago. Not sure it is now, either. Let's see how he goes. You can't make such a judgment on one match.
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That's the type of stupidity that got Moores sacked.
So your saying Taylor should not be in the side?

You need to have a variation of batsmen and Taylor is a player who can pace an innings and then start smashing the ball around at the end of it. Take a look at some of the highlights of Notts game last year.
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So your saying Taylor should not be in the side?

You need to have a variation of batsmen and Taylor is a player who can pace an innings and then start smashing the ball around at the end of it. Take a look at some of the highlights of Notts game last year.
Taylor is a fine player, and given he captained in Ireland, seems destined for good things in the future. I think the feeling is, right now, he is not the iconic ODI player around whom to pin our hopes for a vastly improved World Cup showing in 2019.

Who is that player? The worrying thing is we don't have that answer, after the shambles the ODI squad became post World Cup. That will be Bayliss' most important first assignment, I would suggest. Candidates would be Stokes after his latest exploits, Buttler though he may need to give up keeping because of wear and tear, and Joe Root, although he is more in the mould of a test player than an ODI specialist.
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So your saying Taylor should not be in the side?

You need to have a variation of batsmen and Taylor is a player who can pace an innings and then start smashing the ball around at the end of it. Take a look at some of the highlights of Notts game last year.
No, I'm saying the side should be built around someone like Stokes, not someone like Taylor.

If you want to look at something (and judging someone on highlights might explain how the **** Bell-ended up opening as his shots that go for 4 look lovely and they don't show the preceding five balls all hit straight at fielders) then look at the scorecard from the domestic semi-final last year when Taylor and Stokes faced almost exactly the same number of balls.

And then look at who was man of the match again in the final.

And then get a wet fish and slap yourself round the face repeatedly until you stop coming up with such lunacy.

This team needs to be built around matchwinners like Stokes and Buttler and Hales and Roy. If that means Taylor doesn't make the cut, so be it.
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