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Old 16th May 2014, 16:46   #21
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I don't understand why the bookies need to do this? They must be taking colossal bets (from who I just don't know - who would bet thousands on spot betting on some Pro40 match?) in which case they could turn a heathy profit from the normal mark-up on the bets in the long run. Why go to the trouble and expense and risk of paying players?

I do admit I've read next to nothing about it and can't figure where these vast sums of money originate from.
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Old 16th May 2014, 18:06   #22
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Is this a serious comment or just another of your sour remarks?
Sour sounds somewhat acidic, how about caustic riposte tinged with a garland of self irony?
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Old 16th May 2014, 20:36   #23
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Old 17th May 2014, 10:55   #24
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These accusations and incidents are not new so I wonder why they are surfacing again right now.
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Old 17th May 2014, 13:18   #25
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Because the Telegraph are trumpeting it as a huge exclusive? It's certainly being used as an excuse to churn out a lot of 'shock, horror' articles. Thought the O'Brien piece today was pretty poor, from a guy I like a lot.
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Old 18th May 2014, 23:15   #26
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Why did Mal Loye not report the approach to the ECB and ACU at the the time? surely he knew other players would be approached , even team mates, and so the game bought into disrepute?
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Old 18th May 2014, 23:18   #27
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ED Harris book is a fascinating read on just how much control illegal Indian bookies have on the game there. They move some of the millions of illegally wagered money on to the exchanges to bend the betting against the tide...say tightening odds on one team winning then then getting better price on the outsider.
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Old 19th May 2014, 00:22   #28
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Why did Mal Loye not report the approach to the ECB and ACU at the the time? surely he knew other players would be approached , even team mates, and so the game bought into disrepute?
Why didn't Loye even tell his team mates?
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Because the Telegraph are trumpeting it as a huge exclusive? It's certainly being used as an excuse to churn out a lot of 'shock, horror' articles. Thought the O'Brien piece today was pretty poor, from a guy I like a lot.
I thought it was the Mail?
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Why didn't Loye even tell his team mates?
Fear perhaps, or the possibility no one would believe him?

I would think it's a big weight on the shoulders when a fellow cricketer comes up to you and offers you money to do something during a game. Their head would be spinning - Do I take the money? What's the risk? Will I get caught? Should I refuse and report it? Should I refuse and just brush it off?

I wouldn't like to be in that position.
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I know Mal to speak to and some of his family quite well and he is a proud Northampton boy and I thought would not touch this stuff. He was devastated when his contract talks with Northant's broke down the first time and he had to leave. But he is capable of a humongous statement of intent when he is upset. In his last Sunday game for Northants he scored six runs in ten overs because he was fuming over that contract offer. When he returned with Lancs, some fans shouted Judas at him and he jumped over the fence of the supporters club and threatened to brain the guy, only Dominic Cork holding him back at the last.lol
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Fear perhaps, or the possibility no one would believe him?

I would think it's a big weight on the shoulders when a fellow cricketer comes up to you and offers you money to do something during a game. Their head would be spinning - Do I take the money? What's the risk? Will I get caught? Should I refuse and report it? Should I refuse and just brush it off?

I wouldn't like to be in that position.
Do I take the money? What's the risk? Will I get caught? Thoughts of someone who wonders if they should. He had been with Lancs 5 years at the time, not just arriving and hardly knowing anyone and not being able to talk to even his best friend. I think he told someone at Lancs who also didn't speak up either.

Two things that happened in 2007. He played for Auckland and met Vincent there. He played for England and was very unhappy at being left out of the World Cup. 2008 was his benefit year and also when he was approached by Vincent. Maybe Loye even recommended Vincent to Lancs.

Now it is revealed that McCullum was also approached by the same person as Vincent.

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Despite McCullum saying he has ‘never, ever fixed’ he didn’t have the courage to say no immediately and instead said he would think about it before returning to his hotel in a ‘state of shock’. Later the star telephoned him and McCullum told him he was not interested.

'He was a hero who became a friend so I always found it difficult to say no' Mcullum said.

I guess I just don't understand how people think.
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Do I take the money? What's the risk? Will I get caught? Thoughts of someone who wonders if they should. He had been with Lancs 5 years at the time, not just arriving and hardly knowing anyone and not being able to talk to even his best friend. I think he told someone at Lancs who also didn't speak up either.

Two things that happened in 2007. He played for Auckland and met Vincent there. He played for England and was very unhappy at being left out of the World Cup. 2008 was his benefit year and also when he was approached by Vincent. Maybe Loye even recommended Vincent to Lancs.

Now it is revealed that McCullum was also approached by the same person as Vincent.

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Despite McCullum saying he has ‘never, ever fixed’ he didn’t have the courage to say no immediately and instead said he would think about it before returning to his hotel in a ‘state of shock’. Later the star telephoned him and McCullum told him he was not interested.

'He was a hero who became a friend so I always found it difficult to say no' Mcullum said.

I guess I just don't understand how people think.
I think unless you've been in a situation where you've been approached to undertake an immoral or illegal act, its very hard to make absolute judgements on others. Even harder to do the right thing when the person approaching you is a friend or hero. I think I'd struggle to rat out a friend if they were doing something a bit dodgy but might question their motives and challenge what they're doing.
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The finger has been pointing at Chris Cairns as "Player X" but he has now spoken out and said that any allegations towards him are a complete lie.
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The finger has been pointing at Chris Cairns as "Player X" but he has now spoken out and said that any allegations towards him are a complete lie.
Wasn't player X an ex-England batsman?
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Wasn't player X an ex-England batsman?
I think this is the bit in the Mail that you are referring to -

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McCullum’s claim will send further shockwaves through the game, particularly in England as the batsman said his ‘hero’ tried to bribe him in a Worcester cafe during New Zealand’s tour in 2008.
It may suggest the player was English the way it's worded but the meeting took place over here but makes no actual reference that Player X is English. Just a hero of B Mac. Twitter was awash with rumour that it was Cairns but he has come out and denied it was him.
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I think this is the bit in the Mail that you are referring to -



It may suggest the player was English the way it's worded but the meeting took place over here but makes no actual reference that Player X is English. Just a hero of B Mac. Twitter was awash with rumour that it was Cairns but he has come out and denied it was him.
Cairns was a big star in the ICL, which hasn't been a great reputation enhancer for many people.
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I think this is the bit in the Mail that you are referring to -

It may suggest the player was English the way it's worded but the meeting took place over here but makes no actual reference that Player X is English. Just a hero of B Mac. Twitter was awash with rumour that it was Cairns but he has come out and denied it was him.
Yes you are right, I don't know where I got that idea from.
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Unfortunately, it is not hard to join the dots of the implications in this story, with McCullum speaking up about his 'Hero'. I am sure we'd all like to be wrong, but the stories about the links to the ICL and the connections in Dubai and the money laundering methods all sound sickeningly plausible.

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