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Old 24th May 2014, 12:51   #81
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The ECB can't suck and blow at the same time.

They have been paid millions, reportedly, in sponsorship and advertising revenues by the betting industry and now the integrity of the domestic competitions are being brought under scrutiny.

I don't usually like quoting Pringle - he is rather insufferable - but his recent Telegraph article on the emerging scandal speaks of the long-time unholy alliance between gambling and cricket. When a problem has taken root over many, many years, there can be no quick fix.
Indeed. You can't even check the scores on Cricinfo without the page wobbling up or down at the last moment so that rather than clicking on the scorecard you've "accidentally" clicked on a betting site.
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Old 24th May 2014, 13:14   #82
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looks like the ECB wont charge anyone until its confirmed a Pakistani is involved. This story has been out there ages. Ed Hawkins has five more games and a few players to expose yet. Daily Mail under embargo so he is looking to offload the truth elsewhere. ECB cover up yet again. I think you guys will be shocked by the next name to come.
Ok then I'll take the bait.

Do YOU know the name of the "next name" - Yes or No?

Are we (the public) ever likely to know this name? If so, when?

Are you Ed Hawkins PR man? His previous book seemed to go into detail about Indian bookmakers and such, but didn't really get to the heart of illegal bookmaking and certainly didn't reveal any corruption that wasn't already known about.
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Old 24th May 2014, 13:21   #83
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Indeed. You can't even check the scores on Cricinfo without the page wobbling up or down at the last moment so that rather than clicking on the scorecard you've "accidentally" clicked on a betting site.
I thought that only happened to me.
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Old 24th May 2014, 21:06   #84
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Ok then I'll take the bait.

Do YOU know the name of the "next name" - Yes or No?

Are we (the public) ever likely to know this name? If so, when?

Are you Ed Hawkins PR man? His previous book seemed to go into detail about Indian bookmakers and such, but didn't really get to the heart of illegal bookmaking and certainly didn't reveal any corruption that wasn't already known about.
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Old 25th May 2014, 12:53   #85
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Ok then I'll take the bait.

Do YOU know the name of the "next name" - Yes or No?

Are we (the public) ever likely to know this name? If so, when?

Are you Ed Hawkins PR man? His previous book seemed to go into detail about Indian bookmakers and such, but didn't really get to the heart of illegal bookmaking and certainly didn't reveal any corruption that wasn't already known about.

Well Mr Ellis? I thought you would have answered these by now.

I'm sure you don't want the posters on here to think you're an attention seeking wannabe who has no more insider cricket knowledge than the average cricket watcher.
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Old 25th May 2014, 14:15   #86
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The ECB can't suck and blow at the same time.

They have been paid millions, reportedly, in sponsorship and advertising revenues by the betting industry and now the integrity of the domestic competitions is being brought under scrutiny. Again. And anti-corruption agencies are huffing and puffing about leaks to the media.

I don't usually like quoting Pringle - he is rather insufferable - but his recent Telegraph article on the emerging scandal speaks of the long-time unholy alliance between gambling and cricket. When a problem has taken root over many, many years, there can be no quick fix.
The way gambling had been allowed to get into such a powerful position in this country is a disgrace. Its not just sport, but as you imply we are reaping what has been sown by getting into bed with the devil.
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Old 25th May 2014, 19:34   #87
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Well Mr Ellis? I thought you would have answered these by now.

I'm sure you don't want the posters on here to think you're an attention seeking wannabe who has no more insider cricket knowledge than the average cricket watcher.
More fool you for taking the bait!

Methinks your second observation is accurate enough.
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The press are being muzzled over releasing the full story, legal threats all over the place. The Mail have the names but embargoed. The bits Hawkins wanted to print in his book have been legally blocked.
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Old 26th May 2014, 13:40   #89
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The press are being muzzled over releasing the full story, legal threats all over the place. The Mail have the names but embargoed. The bits Hawkins wanted to print in his book have been legally blocked.
Embargoed by who?

Legally blocked by who?
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Old 26th May 2014, 13:49   #90
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The press are being muzzled over releasing the full story, legal threats all over the place. The Mail have the names but embargoed. The bits Hawkins wanted to print in his book have been legally blocked.

So it's now gone from "name" to "names" and the usual flannel of legal threats comes out as a reason/excuse.

So you don't know who it is and I'm guessing the Mail and Hawkins have no more idea than looking at a match on TV, looking at a dropped catch and thinking it looked suspicious so it must be suspicious.

Well I can give you a big name of someone who was involved in match fixing and I'm not afraid of being sued. Scroll down


























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Old 26th May 2014, 15:00   #91
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I'm not going to say it am I! Turkish football has been bent for years but the press cowered and did nothing, because of the lawyers. Its the same in cricket and many other sports. Why do you think there has been only two positive drugs test in the Premier League for PEDS and a handful for soft drugs?


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Old 26th May 2014, 16:54   #92
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This stuff should be on the David Icke forums.

Of course the ACU would have been annoyed at the leaks. The whistleblower could have damaged years of investigation to catch one or more of the big guys. Vincent is a small fish in a big pond. The police used to have a saying - Softly Softly Catchee Bent B*****d.

However you still haven't said if you know this "name". A simple yes or no would suffice.
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Old 26th May 2014, 17:34   #93
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The ACU said they wold not prosecute those matches and closed the case. That doesn't sound great, the swoosh of a broom or two.

Names, 12 cricketers in total, some of them English county players.
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Only 12? I thought cricket was rife with corruption.

So do you know any of these names (which has now gone from 1 to 12), yes or no?
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For Vincent not to go down others will have to be named.
No criminal charges being brought and no names mentioned

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ED Harris book is a fascinating read on just how much control illegal Indian bookies have on the game there. They move some of the millions of illegally wagered money on to the exchanges to bend the betting against the tide...say tightening odds on one team winning then then getting better price on the outsider.
His book didn't say anything new that wasn't already in the public domain regarding the cricketers involved at the time of publishing.

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Henry Blofeld?
Not sure if this is an attempt at humour but this post makes no sense at all.

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I think we have all watched games we know have been bent.
Have we? We may have after it has been KNOWN ie the Leatherjacket Test, and we may watch instances where we think "bloody helll that doesn't look right" but we do not KNOW they are fixed. You cite the Cardiff test where England played Sri Lanka. Well I'm afraid it may have looked bad but until proven otherwise that game was played in accordance with the laws.

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Ed Hawkins is the man for this stuff.
A plug for Hawkins again

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l Ed Hawkins has five more games and a few players to expose yet. Daily Mail under embargo so he is looking to offload the truth elsewhere. ECB cover up yet again. I think you guys will be shocked by the next name to come.
Another plug for Mr H. A man who you say appears to have evidence but can't do anything about it. We will never know this name.

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The press are being muzzled over releasing the full story, legal threats all over the place. The Mail have the names but embargoed. The bits Hawkins wanted to print in his book have been legally blocked.
If he has evidence surely his lawyers will say Publish and be Damned. I'm interested in the phrase "the bits Hawkins wanted to print..." Bits? Surely if this is a big name or there are several names then you don't stick them in little paragraphs around the book. You make it BIG all over. This is what will sell the book.


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Names, 12 cricketers in total, some of them English county players.
Only according to your mate Hawkins presumably.
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Read the book or get the hook.
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Old 27th May 2014, 22:13   #97
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I think we have all watched games we know have been bent.
Probably just incompetence.
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Players themselves admit they have been in games that didn't feel right.
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Old 28th May 2014, 08:53   #99
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Read the book or get the hook.
So you are Hawkins PR machine then.

As I expected you didn't answer my questions. I rest my case Your Honour.
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So you are Hawkins PR machine then.

As I expected you didn't answer my questions. I rest my case Your Honour.
Much obliged. Can't be bothered with the case for the defence.

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