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Old 27th November 2014, 08:40   #41
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Sad loss for cricket, even sadder because it was a young man who had not lived even a fraction of a full life. Hopefully his friends, team mates and especially his family can recover from this quickly. Such a sad loss, so young.

As for Sean Abbott, it'll be difficult for him to recover, hopefully he gets everything he needs to ensure his life isn't ruined by this.

Really sad news.
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Old 27th November 2014, 08:49   #42
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RIP Phil.

Taken away so tragically young.
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Old 27th November 2014, 10:09   #43
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Absolutely horrible news. It sounds like a very rare, freak injury and shows how delicate life is really. RIP Phil.
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Old 27th November 2014, 10:50   #44
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Incredibly sad news. He will be remembered for a very long time.
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Old 27th November 2014, 11:56   #45
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Old 27th November 2014, 13:26   #46
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It's sad enough when an old cricketer leaves the crease. When one so young goes down while still there, that hurts. 63 no. You will not be forgotten. I hope the rugby teams at the weekend wear the armband in remembrance.
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Old 27th November 2014, 13:34   #47
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There's talk of cancelling the Brisbane Test next week. As much as I usually favour the 'life goes on' ethos, surely Hughes must be laid to rest before The Baggy Greens can proceed, to allow the players a period of mourning...especially as around a third of the team were present when the incident occurred.
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Old 27th November 2014, 13:55   #48
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I'd leave it up to the players then. I know of some that have played very soon after a family bereavement, they may be ok with playing after this. Otherwise, I'd stick with the "life goes on" ethos.
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Old 27th November 2014, 14:29   #49
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It would take huge courage to get the full XI together to play at the highest level so soon. I don't think I could do it, I think an exhibition match in his honour and a first class game for the players to have a gentler reintroduction to the game would be more sensible. The ball must seem like an enemy to the batsmen and bowlers at the moment.
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Old 27th November 2014, 16:07   #50
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I can't see how the Aussies could play a competitive test so soon. Which bowler will want to bowl a bouncer? If he has not yet been buried (and even afterwards) how could the players give a stuff? It will all be significant.

A hockey mate of mine from uni died doing a half marathon died. Everyone was shattered. Whenever people picked up a hockey stick they thought about it. None of us saw him die, he was not playing hockey at the time and all of this was in private. The Phillip Hughes tragedy is much harder for people to overcome, I expect.
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Old 27th November 2014, 22:43   #51
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It truly is tragic to come to this. RIP Phillip Hughes.
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Old 28th November 2014, 00:10   #52
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I'm still finding it hard to comprehend to be honest. We think back to the days of cricket up to the 70's, uncovered pitches and next to no protection relatively, the improvement of medical science and the kind of medical back up we have now that was alien so many years ago. Yet still a batsman dies at the crease. No one ever goes out to bat and never expects to return to the pavilion, eventually, whatever level you play at. What chances of a few pounds of leather getting through such defences and causing such grief. A genuine tragedy. R.I.P Phillip Hughes and my heart goes out to Sean Abbott
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Old 28th November 2014, 00:18   #53
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I'm quite concerned at how it's apparently become the convention that when commenting on the awful, tragic death of Phil Hughes to immediately follow that with comments concerning the welfare of the bowler, Sean Abbott, often in the same breath as showing sympathy to Hughes's family. I have nothing but the utmost of sympathy for anyone who knew Hughes and Abbott in particular but I have a couple of huge concerns about this.

Firstly, whatever Abbott is feeling it is simply not comparable to the grief that his family are feeling, to have such a young son, brother, husband suddenly and unexpectedly removed from your life is devastating on another level. To mention his suffering alongside, or in some cases instead of theirs disrespects the trauma that they are going through.

Secondly have nothing but the utmost sympathy for anyone who knew Hughes and Abbott in particular, anyone who knows anything about cricket also knows that this was a freak accident. The ball he bowled was short but not one that would be considered excessively dangerous (as evidenced by the fact that Hughes tried to play it). Even if Abbott had tried to hit Hughes or "rough him up", it would surely have been in the context of a game of cricket. In fact, even IF (and this is a big ****ing IF) Abbott had, for whatever reason, maliciously tried to hurt Hughes he could never have envisaged such an outcome and could still not be blamed for what has happened.

I would expect that whatever guilt Abbott is feeling, he knows that he is not really responsible for this tragedy. For him to move on, the sooner he looks past his guilt and realises this (if he hasn't already) the better..

...a task made potentially more difficult by the world and his ****ing dog saying how tough it must be for him, how he must be as upset as Hughes's family and how he'll probably never play cricket again. Aside from social media there's a disturbing amount of pros or ex pros peddling this line with seemingly little insight into Abbott's mind, which to me is a damning indictment of modern news reporting - outlets desperate for a quote to fill their airwaves/column inches/webspace, authorities/famous faces desperate to get their word into media, and no-one with a clue about what's really happening.

We all know Sean Abbott isn't to blame for this awful occurrence, so let's stop talking as if he is. Of course, if he needs support to get through the coming days, weeks, months or however long it is he should get it, but that's if he needs it, not because we say he he should.
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Old 28th November 2014, 00:31   #54
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I'm quite concerned at how it's apparently become the convention that when commenting on the awful, tragic death of Phil Hughes to immediately follow that with comments concerning the welfare of the bowler, Sean Abbott, often in the same breath as showing sympathy to Hughes's family. I have nothing but the utmost of sympathy for anyone who knew Hughes and Abbott in particular but I have a couple of huge concerns about this.

Firstly, whatever Abbott is feeling it is simply not comparable to the grief that his family are feeling, to have such a young son, brother, husband suddenly and unexpectedly removed from your life is devastating on another level. To mention his suffering alongside, or in some cases instead of theirs disrespects the trauma that they are going through.

Secondly have nothing but the utmost sympathy for anyone who knew Hughes and Abbott in particular, anyone who knows anything about cricket also knows that this was a freak accident. The ball he bowled was short but not one that would be considered excessively dangerous (as evidenced by the fact that Hughes tried to play it). Even if Abbott had tried to hit Hughes or "rough him up", it would surely have been in the context of a game of cricket. In fact, even IF (and this is a big ****ing IF) Abbott had, for whatever reason, maliciously tried to hurt Hughes he could never have envisaged such an outcome and could still not be blamed for what has happened.

I would expect that whatever guilt Abbott is feeling, he knows that he is not really responsible for this tragedy. For him to move on, the sooner he looks past his guilt and realises this (if he hasn't already) the better..

...a task made potentially more difficult by the world and his ****ing dog saying how tough it must be for him, how he must be as upset as Hughes's family and how he'll probably never play cricket again. Aside from social media there's a disturbing amount of pros or ex pros peddling this line with seemingly little insight into Abbott's mind, which to me is a damning indictment of modern news reporting - outlets desperate for a quote to fill their airwaves/column inches/webspace, authorities/famous faces desperate to get their word into media, and no-one with a clue about what's really happening.

We all know Sean Abbott isn't to blame for this awful occurrence, so let's stop talking as if he is. Of course, if he needs support to get through the coming days, weeks, months or however long it is he should get it, but that's if he needs it, not because we say he he should.
I don't disagree fella. I've watched no news, or listened to the radio today so have no idea of what media circus is probably being whipped up over this. Just expressing my own feelings, made up within my own mind, at this particular point in time.
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I disagree strongly. History is full of people who have never recovered from a freak accident and blame themselves. Yes he was Doing his job, but the fact remains that if he had bowled a half volley rather than a bouncer that Hughes would still be here.

You also overlook that they were mates. A few weeks before they shared a changing room for Australia.

You apparently suggest that he should be able to shrug and say "it's part of the game" when this might be the rational thing to do, it is not necessarily easy to do.

Over the Coming weeks and months -possibly years and decades - there is no escaping that abbot will not be thinking he should not have bowled that ball.

It is similar to my cousin. She ran over a child and killed them when she was 18. She still hates driving now almost 20 years later. She did nothing wrong and was cleared of any wrong doing, it was a freak accident and someone died.

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I'm quite concerned at how it's apparently become the convention that when commenting on the awful, tragic death of Phil Hughes to immediately follow that with comments concerning the welfare of the bowler, Sean Abbott, often in the same breath as showing sympathy to Hughes's family. I have nothing but the utmost of sympathy for anyone who knew Hughes and Abbott in particular but I have a couple of huge concerns about this.

Firstly, whatever Abbott is feeling it is simply not comparable to the grief that his family are feeling, to have such a young son, brother, husband suddenly and unexpectedly removed from your life is devastating on another level. To mention his suffering alongside, or in some cases instead of theirs disrespects the trauma that they are going through.

Secondly have nothing but the utmost sympathy for anyone who knew Hughes and Abbott in particular, anyone who knows anything about cricket also knows that this was a freak accident. The ball he bowled was short but not one that would be considered excessively dangerous (as evidenced by the fact that Hughes tried to play it). Even if Abbott had tried to hit Hughes or "rough him up", it would surely have been in the context of a game of cricket. In fact, even IF (and this is a big ****ing IF) Abbott had, for whatever reason, maliciously tried to hurt Hughes he could never have envisaged such an outcome and could still not be blamed for what has happened.

I would expect that whatever guilt Abbott is feeling, he knows that he is not really responsible for this tragedy. For him to move on, the sooner he looks past his guilt and realises this (if he hasn't already) the better..

...a task made potentially more difficult by the world and his ****ing dog saying how tough it must be for him, how he must be as upset as Hughes's family and how he'll probably never play cricket again. Aside from social media there's a disturbing amount of pros or ex pros peddling this line with seemingly little insight into Abbott's mind, which to me is a damning indictment of modern news reporting - outlets desperate for a quote to fill their airwaves/column inches/webspace, authorities/famous faces desperate to get their word into media, and no-one with a clue about what's really happening.

We all know Sean Abbott isn't to blame for this awful occurrence, so let's stop talking as if he is. Of course, if he needs support to get through the coming days, weeks, months or however long it is he should get it, but that's if he needs it, not because we say he he should.
Nobody's trying to compare the grief of the Hughes family to that of Sean Abbott. But anyone with an ounce of feeling would struggle immensely to deal with the fact that something they have done has led to the death of another person regardless of the fact that it was a freak accident and not Abbott's fault. I'd imagine it'd be the same if someone ran out in front of you whilst you were driving.

Abbott will be told he is not responsible and will likely tell himself that, but that isnt a quick fix to how he is probably feeling. This is a human, not a robot afterall.

A colleague of mine said Abbott probably wont bowl again and i think there's a fair chance that may be the case.
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I agree. Logic won't help abbot, unfortunately. And I don't have any issue with people showing concern for him at the same time as regret for Hughes passing.
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...To mention his suffering alongside, or in some cases instead of theirs disrespects the trauma that they are going through. ...
Even if it were disrespectful to mention this (and it's hard to see how it is), it is inevitable that people will also express concern for the feelings of the unfortunate bowler involved in the tragedy.
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Someone who had a similar, but not as bad, experience.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blo...ewen-chatfield
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Someone who had a similar, but not as bad, experience.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blo...ewen-chatfield
I heard that story yesterday about it being the NZ captain telling him to bowl a bouncer. Hopefully when Abbott next plays he will get similar support from the other players to try and get back to 100%.
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