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Old 3rd January 2015, 21:46   #1
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The into retirement thread

Some already announced and quite a few upcoming I believe.

As far as I'm aware, we've had recently:
-MS Dhoni from tests with immediate effect (he may quit ODIs after WC as well, although one imagines he'll want to lead the Indians at the T20 WC in India next year)
-Kumar Sangakkara and Mahela Jayawardene standing down after the WC
-Shahid Afridi after the world cup

One imagines some of the following may also hang up their (international) pads this year-
Shiv Chanderpaul
Ryan Harris
Saeed Ajmal
Misbah-ul Haq
Chris Gayle
Rangana Herath
Michael Clarke
Chris Rogers
Alastair Cook

A thread to discuss these and other players as they retire. I for one will be very sad to see Sangakkara and Jayawardene retire, two of the most elegant batsmen of our generation and in the former perhaps the best of the lot.
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Old 3rd January 2015, 21:54   #2
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You serious about the last one? He has just turned 30. He will break many records for english batsmen.
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Old 3rd January 2015, 22:08   #3
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You serious about the last one? He has just turned 30. He will break many records for english batsmen.
Only if he has an annus teribilis, but if he did I could see the pressure being too immense for him to carry on. Unlikely though, I was being tongue-in-cheek. But that's a discussion for a different thread and not until the Spring.
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Old 3rd January 2015, 22:45   #4
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Be interesting to see how Johnson gets on with his injuries.
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Old 3rd January 2015, 22:57   #5
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Jimmy Anderson might not have too many miles left in the clock either. I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire from one day cricket after the World Cup.
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Old 3rd January 2015, 23:09   #6
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Sangakkara has said that he will retire from ODIs after the World Cup, but may play some more Tests.

Vettori will probably also retire after the World Cup.
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Jimmy Anderson might not have too many miles left in the clock either. I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire from one day cricket after the World Cup.
This is what I think Anderson has left

2015
WI away - 3 Tests
NZ home - 2 Tests
Aus home - 5 Tests
Pak away - 3 Tests
2016
SA away - 4 Tests
SL home - 3 Tests
Pak home - 4 Tests
Ban away - 2 Tests
India away - 4 Tests
2017
WI home - 3 Tests
SA home 4 Tests

So 37 Tests with 3.80 wickets per Test - 520 wickets.

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Don't think that will happen. Anderson will play his last Ashes this year. 2019 World Cup.

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Old 4th January 2015, 08:27   #8
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Haddin is another obvious one.
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You serious about the last one? He has just turned 30. He will break many records for english batsmen.
In some respects he already has a record that should last a considerable length of time. That of the record number of centuries for an England player. Although Ian Bell currently stands 4 centuries behind him on 21 the guy is simply too erratic to expect him to overtake Cook. However at the same time I can't believe that you have such a high estimation of Cook in spite of what is now a very considerable run of inadequate form. I still rated Cook highly as a player at the end of the home Ashes series in 2013, despite what was a poor series for him then. However I had to downgrade him after the reverse series - you can't have as long a spell of very poor form without asking questions about his returns against high class pace/seam bowling. Indeed Ali and GBG pointed out his returns against Australia and South Africa in the last 3 years and indeed his overall record against the more accomplished seam attacks that gave a somewhat different perspective.

Hopefully with some time away from the game as a result of his dropping from the one-day side he can work again on his test match game and perhaps find the alignment that served him so well from late 2010 till that South African home series.
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SA away - 4 Tests
SL home - 3 Tests
Pak home - 4 Tests
Ban away - 2 Tests
India away - 4 Tests


Is that right? Or is there some overlap with the adjacent years for tours in Dec/Jan? 17 tests in one year will hurt any fast bowler, let alone a 34 year old.

Even 30 tests in 2 years will be a push, and that includes a year with a world cup too. Looking at the list of England's tests, the most they did in two years was 29 in 2012/2013. That ended well.
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Some already announced and quite a few upcoming I believe.

As far as I'm aware, we've had recently:
-MS Dhoni from tests with immediate effect (he may quit ODIs after WC as well, although one imagines he'll want to lead the Indians at the T20 WC in India next year)
-Kumar Sangakkara and Mahela Jayawardene standing down after the WC
-Shahid Afridi after the world cup

One imagines some of the following may also hang up their (international) pads this year-
Shiv Chanderpaul
Ryan Harris
Saeed Ajmal
Misbah-ul Haq
Chris Gayle
Rangana Herath
Michael Clarke
Chris Rogers
Alastair Cook

A thread to discuss these and other players as they retire. I for one will be very sad to see Sangakkara and Jayawardene retire, two of the most elegant batsmen of our generation and in the former perhaps the best of the lot.
Can't see Clarke or Harris retiring, could see Rogers getting dropped.
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This is what I think Anderson has left

2015
WI away - 3 Tests
NZ home - 2 Tests
Aus home - 5 Tests
Pak away - 3 Tests
2016
SA away - 4 Tests
SL home - 3 Tests
Pak home - 4 Tests
Ban away - 2 Tests
India away - 4 Tests
2017
WI home - 3 Tests
SA home 4 Tests

So 37 Tests with 3.80 wickets per Test - 520 wickets.

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'I was talking to Jimmy in South Africa and we both want to play in another couple of winning Ashes series together. Another target is the 2019 World Cup in England. There are certainly no retirement plans in any format!

Don't think that will happen. Anderson will play his last Ashes this year. 2019 World Cup.
Anderson shouldnt be playing at the 2019 world cup. If he is then England will have wasted another 4 years in ODI cricket.
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Can't see Clarke or Harris retiring, could see Rogers getting dropped.
Clarke's retirement will all depend on his back. He has already said that he may not play again.

Harris similarly with his knees. He is 35.
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In some respects he already has a record that should last a considerable length of time. That of the record number of centuries for an England player. Although Ian Bell currently stands 4 centuries behind him on 21 the guy is simply too erratic to expect him to overtake Cook. However at the same time I can't believe that you have such a high estimation of Cook in spite of what is now a very considerable run of inadequate form. I still rated Cook highly as a player at the end of the home Ashes series in 2013, despite what was a poor series for him then. However I had to downgrade him after the reverse series - you can't have as long a spell of very poor form without asking questions about his returns against high class pace/seam bowling. Indeed Ali and GBG pointed out his returns against Australia and South Africa in the last 3 years and indeed his overall record against the more accomplished seam attacks that gave a somewhat different perspective.

Hopefully with some time away from the game as a result of his dropping from the one-day side he can work again on his test match game and perhaps find the alignment that served him so well from late 2010 till that South African home series.
Cook's a great player of mediocre bowling rather than a great batsman. Don't just look at his record against Australia and South Africa, but look at his record against Pakistan when they had a top attack as well. Boult and Southee will cause him all sorts of problems this summer and put indecision into his game ahead of the Ashes.

Bell's got a series against the WIndies to fill his boots again.
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Cook's a great player of mediocre bowling rather than a great batsman. Don't just look at his record against Australia and South Africa, but look at his record against Pakistan when they had a top attack as well. Boult and Southee will cause him all sorts of problems this summer and put indecision into his game ahead of the Ashes.

Bell's got series against the WIndies to fill his boots again.
Not sure what you mean by "again". Last time Bell played WI in the West Indies he was dropped. His last and only century v WI was in 2007. He was on the way to another, and the first test century by a Warwickshire player on home ground in 2012, but was defeated by the weather.

But perhaps you meant "again" more generally and weren't referring just making runs against WI. I hope he does fill his boots and follows up his 100 two games ago with one or two more.
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Is that right? Or is there some overlap with the adjacent years for tours in Dec/Jan? 17 tests in one year will hurt any fast bowler, let alone a 34 year old.

Even 30 tests in 2 years will be a push, and that includes a year with a world cup too. Looking at the list of England's tests, the most they did in two years was 29 in 2012/2013. That ended well.
I read that the FTP is going to change in March but see there have been some changes. Not 4 Tests in India but 5. Also the 1st Test in SA is in 2015 and the other 3 in 2016.

At least we pick 5 bowlers now in a Test so the work load is less. Maybe he will make 35 Tests in the 3 years.
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In some respects he already has a record that should last a considerable length of time. That of the record number of centuries for an England player. Although Ian Bell currently stands 4 centuries behind him on 21 the guy is simply too erratic to expect him to overtake Cook. However at the same time I can't believe that you have such a high estimation of Cook in spite of what is now a very considerable run of inadequate form. I still rated Cook highly as a player at the end of the home Ashes series in 2013, despite what was a poor series for him then. However I had to downgrade him after the reverse series - you can't have as long a spell of very poor form without asking questions about his returns against high class pace/seam bowling. Indeed Ali and GBG pointed out his returns against Australia and South Africa in the last 3 years and indeed his overall record against the more accomplished seam attacks that gave a somewhat different perspective.

Hopefully with some time away from the game as a result of his dropping from the one-day side he can work again on his test match game and perhaps find the alignment that served him so well from late 2010 till that South African home series.
OK, I'll bite.

Simply too erratic? Somehow or other he is just 4 centuries behind Cook from fewer matches and lies 7th in the all-time list of England centurions. He last made a hundred two games ago. Cook's last century was 17 matches ago; certainly he's far less erratic than Bell in terms of poor form.

Cook used to have an enviable record for consistency of big scores. Hopefully this summer he will begin to shake off the travails of the last year and get back into form. If he does do so then I would agree Bell is unlikely to catch him up. Cook is younger and if he starts making 100s again he will be playing for England long after Bell has retired from international cricket and is making centuries as Warwickshire captain.

But if, as gbg suggests, Cook is unable to adapt his game now that his limitations are well-known, who knows what will happen?
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Bell is awesome and will be England's highest century scorer.
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I read that the FTP is going to change in March but see there have been some changes. Not 4 Tests in India but 5. Also the 1st Test in SA is in 2015 and the other 3 in 2016.

At least we pick 5 bowlers now in a Test so the work load is less. Maybe he will make 35 Tests in the 3 years.
I saw the SA series starts Boxing Day so technically in 2015, but in context of workload, it still makes 2016 massive. It's the 30 tests in 2 years I was concerned with, rather than the 35 in 3. I assume he'll play fewer ODIs after the world cup, if any, but tests are where the heavy workload is and he's not an impact type bowler, he needs overs (if only to give someone else the wicket ).
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