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Old 17th November 2015, 23:42   #61
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He'll go down as a good bowler rather than a great one but he certainly made his mark in recent ashes series.

So long Mitch.
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Old 18th November 2015, 00:01   #62
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He'll go down as a good bowler rather than a great one but he certainly made his mark in recent ashes series.

So long Mitch.
I think one better than that. He will go down as a good bowler who had a couple of great periods in his career. When he was on form he was devastating. When he wasn't he was mocked by the masses.
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Old 18th November 2015, 11:34   #63
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Disagree.

I thought this until I saw him at Trent Bridge on the day of the 60ao. Was fielding near us and getting a lot of abuse from a small group of drunk blokes which got pretty tedious after a while. During the afternoon he ended up signing about 40 autographs for kids and a couple of adults, chatted to several fans and posed in two girls' selfie shot. Apart from the moron who kept chanting Miiiiiitch-elll well past the point of amusement he turned the rest of the crowd around onto his side. Came across as a top bloke despite it being a probable career low point.
Me too. In interviews, Johnson always came across as a decent bloke and they really are the only way most of us can judge these things. Never heard of him doing anything to warrant the above abuse.

He was a great bowler to watch and probably the main reason the Aussies won the Ashes down under. Good luck to him in retirement.
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Old 18th November 2015, 12:09   #64
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Disagree.

I thought this until I saw him at Trent Bridge on the day of the 60ao. Was fielding near us and getting a lot of abuse from a small group of drunk blokes which got pretty tedious after a while. During the afternoon he ended up signing about 40 autographs for kids and a couple of adults, chatted to several fans and posed in two girls' selfie shot. Apart from the moron who kept chanting Miiiiiitch-elll well past the point of amusement he turned the rest of the crowd around onto his side. Came across as a top bloke despite it being a probable career low point.
I think he could be a bell end on the pitch, during play, how much more so than most fast bowlers or Australians is maybe harder to judge. Plus it brought us this, so it's hard to ever take his douchery seriously.
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Old 18th November 2015, 16:59   #65
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I think he could be a bell end on the pitch, during play, how much more so than most fast bowlers or Australians is maybe harder to judge. Plus it brought us this, so it's hard to ever take his douchery seriously.
I'd forgotten that. Well found. Also nice to see further evidence of how little of a team man Pietersen was with the standing in the middle of the group of players celebrating, looking at MJ and doing something odd with the ball in his hand probably intended to approximate the international hand gesture for person who masturbates.
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Old 18th November 2015, 18:52   #66
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I'd forgotten that. Well found. Also nice to see further evidence of how little of a team man Pietersen was with the standing in the middle of the group of players celebrating, looking at MJ and doing something odd with the ball in his hand probably intended to approximate the international hand gesture for person who masturbates.
I think KP was just getting ready to throw the ball to the umpire rather than calling Mitch a ******.
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Old 18th November 2015, 18:52   #67
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I'd forgotten that. Well found. Also nice to see further evidence of how little of a team man Pietersen was with the standing in the middle of the group of players celebrating, looking at MJ and doing something odd with the ball in his hand probably intended to approximate the international hand gesture for person who masturbates.
Nah it was probably a secret clue indicating the wrist position MJ should adopt when bowling to get Cook out in the next innings.
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Old 18th November 2015, 19:27   #68
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I think one better than that. He will go down as a good bowler who had a couple of great periods in his career. When he was on form he was devastating. When he wasn't he was mocked by the masses.
About his form in Sky's item on fast bowling he went to Dennis Lillee for advice on how to overcome his misfiring. Apparently Lillee had him running with a ball in his hand, and that seemed to do it. After that he was no longer erratic.
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Old 18th November 2015, 19:52   #69
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I think he could be a bell end on the pitch, during play, how much more so than most fast bowlers or Australians is maybe harder to judge. Plus it brought us this, so it's hard to ever take his douchery seriously.
A lot of players can be. I wonder if being a gob ***** was somewhat out of character for Mitch, so when he did do it it came across a bit more aggressive and awkward.

He was also surrounded by a number of cricket's biggest ********s for the past five years, so some bad behaviour was bound to rub off.
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Old 31st January 2016, 12:35   #70
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Clarke might be coming out of retirement. He's playing grade cricket in February and has then said he'll see what happens. He's 34, which might give hope to Ian Bell that all is not over.
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Old 31st January 2016, 12:39   #71
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So who might hang up the boots this year? Tests only, I can't really follow who is in or out of the other disciplines, my morning has already been ruined by seeing Smuggo Watson's face.

Anderson
Bell
Voges
Siddle
Younis
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AB
Philander
Guptill?
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Old 31st January 2016, 14:27   #72
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Clarke might be coming out of retirement. He's playing grade cricket in February and has then said he'll see what happens. He's 34, which might give hope to Ian Bell that all is not over.


Clarke is probably right to come back and play cricket, but I think there's a world of difference between playing domestic cricket/1st class/grade cricket and returning for the aussies.

Still England recalled Compton at a similar age but without anywhere near the record.

More chance Bell may be recalled simply because England, despite some inside views on how good they are, aren't as good as those views. There's question marks over Hales, Compton and Taylor at present, Bell might not come back in for the summer series (straight away), but when someone decides one or more have to go then he'll be in contention among those looking for a recall alongside the potential new faces vying for any vacancies
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Old 31st January 2016, 16:21   #73
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So who might hang up the boots this year? Tests only, I can't really follow who is in or out of the other disciplines, my morning has already been ruined by seeing Smuggo Watson's face.

Anderson
Bell
Voges
Siddle
Younis
Misbah
AB
Philander
Guptill?
Ab's just committed to the captaincy. I'd say Steyn more likely than philander.
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Old 31st January 2016, 17:07   #74
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So who might hang up the boots this year? Tests only, I can't really follow who is in or out of the other disciplines, my morning has already been ruined by seeing Smuggo Watson's face.

Anderson
Bell
Voges
Siddle
Younis
Misbah
AB
Philander
Guptill?
I hope Anderson doesn't retire. Votes and Siddle will probably stick around until the next Ashes series if they keep their place in the Aussie squad. Can't see AB retiring after accepting the captaincy and Phillander has a few more miles in the tank left yet.

Misbah and Younis look the most likely candidates from your list. Possibly Gayle will focus on franchise cricket.
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Old 1st February 2016, 02:59   #75
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I think he could be a bell end on the pitch, during play, how much more so than most fast bowlers or Australians is maybe harder to judge. Plus it brought us this, so it's hard to ever take his douchery seriously.
Johnson's performances were all over the place, but his attitude (re opponents) has been very good overall. He simply asked one of the biggest trash talkers in world cricket why he was being so "chirpy" at an inopportune moment (before he knocked over a tail ender - big deal). Of course nicely edited to leave out said "chirping" by Anderson (who cares anyway, what is wrong with banter?).

Not sure that deserves the favoured and oft repeated sissy insult ("douche" / "douchery" lol). Perhaps "douchery" would be nit picking Johnson in such an obviously negative and biased way.

The following could be worth considering in your list of crickets "bell ends" to look down on and casually denigrate. It is amazing, the ability of a certain SA bowler to magically "find" reverse swing at crucial times...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...ry/682501.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lank...ry/761767.html

http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/07/22...ne-months-dnp/
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Old 1st February 2016, 03:01   #76
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So who might hang up the boots this year? Tests only, I can't really follow who is in or out of the other disciplines, my morning has already been ruined by seeing Smuggo Watson's face.

Anderson
Bell
Voges
Siddle
Younis
Misbah
AB
Philander
Guptill?
Steyn?
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Old 1st February 2016, 04:00   #77
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He was heralded as the Aussie Flintoff when he came into the side - in fact Fred's performance in 2005 forced the Aussie selectors to look at him and Symonds as potential replicas.
Is that right? Seems unlikely, at least I must have missed that one. I seem to recall Watson mentioning something about looking up to Flintoff (or the Flintoff performance in one particular series), but I doubt the selectors were "forced to look at him" because of it. Anyway, Watson was already around and in the test team and had been playing ODI's for many years before Flintoff had his one good series (or was it two?). I think you flatter Flintoff quite a bit by implying this. Perhaps some of the selectors were old enough to remember Miller.

Symonds (off spin/ medium and great fielding) a potential "replica" of Flintoff..? lol. In which way, the amount of beer they could drink?

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In the end, Watson's efforts probably fall someway short of Fred's as a bowler in both tests and one-days, but his record suggests he has been the better batsman.
Seems about right. Injuries stopped any hopes he had of being a fast bowler. Ended up a batsmen who could contribute some tidy overs.
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Old 1st February 2016, 08:48   #78
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Johnson's performances were all over the place, but his attitude (re opponents) has been very good overall. He simply asked one of the biggest trash talkers in world cricket why he was being so "chirpy" at an inopportune moment (before he knocked over a tail ender - big deal). Of course nicely edited to leave out said "chirping" by Anderson (who cares anyway, what is wrong with banter?).

Not sure that deserves the favoured and oft repeated sissy insult ("douche" / "douchery" lol). Perhaps "douchery" would be nit picking Johnson in such an obviously negative and biased way.

The following could be worth considering in your list of crickets "bell ends" to look down on and casually denigrate. It is amazing, the ability of a certain SA bowler to magically "find" reverse swing at crucial times...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...ry/682501.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lank...ry/761767.html

http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/07/22...ne-months-dnp/
Lol. That's so weak. Johnson is a douche though, but I'm not sure what that has to do with being a sissy (unless you're suggesting that's what he's compensating for). He's also no less a douche because others are (like I said, also known as "cricketers"), it's actually testament to how much of a douche he is that he stands out.

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Lol. That's so weak. Johnson is a douche though, but I'm not sure what that has to do with being a sissy (unless you're suggesting that's what he's compensating for). He's also no less a douche because others are (also known as "cricketers"), it's actually testament to how much of a douche he is that he stands out.
He stands out as "a device that uses a stream of water to flush cavities, for reasons of medicine or hygiene" to yourself, that doesn't mean he was any such thing of course. Seems very biased.

I'm also suggesting the term "douche" would rarely be used in a derogatory way by males, especially those past their teens. Seems to be insult preferred more by the fairer half of the populace, therefore sounds a bit sissy when used to bag out male sportsmen.
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He stands out as "a device that uses a stream of water to flush cavities, for reasons of medicine or hygiene" to yourself, that doesn't mean he was any such thing of course. Seems very biased.

I'm also suggesting the term "lol" would rarely be used in a derogatory way by males, especially those past their teens.
I think you may be taking the internet too seriously. Hope your crusade goes well.
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