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Old 28th February 2015, 10:11   #61
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Ahem. Ireland had to chase against the Windies...

Are you honestly claiming that Ireland were the favoured team going into that contest? (Note the term 'going into.' We can all be wise with the value of hindsight)
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Old 28th February 2015, 10:12   #62
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Oh, I would. England best the Windies fairly comprensively in the warm-ups...
Whilst Ireland were losing to Aussie state teams. And one from NZ as well i think.

And India were getting tonked by England. The warm-up games are just that: warm-ups.
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Old 2nd March 2015, 06:56   #63
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Athers just described 300 as the "baseline, bottom score" teams would expect to score.
And he would be right.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/blogs/co...ry/843155.html

Contains a little about par scores here.
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In the 26 completed games so far there have been 16 first innings scores of in excess of 300, which equates to 62%. The mean first innings score is 287.
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Old 5th March 2015, 17:31   #66
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In the 26 completed games so far there have been 16 first innings scores of in excess of 300, which equates to 62%. The mean first innings score is 287.
The back to back quotes from Morgan and Kumar are all the needs to be said. Some on here were keen this past year or so to play down the importance of scoring way past 300, quoting the old era stats as evidence. Perhaps a lesson worth learning for all of us that stats only tell you for sure what has happened and can be utterly useless for predicting the future.
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Old 5th March 2015, 17:59   #67
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The back to back quotes from Morgan and Kumar are all the needs to be said. Some on here were keen this past year or so to play down the importance of scoring way past 300, quoting the old era stats as evidence. Perhaps a lesson worth learning for all of us that stats only tell you for sure what has happened and can be utterly useless for predicting the future.
Er, what about those of us who used stats to support our claims that the scores needed to be scored were getting bigger?

Sir Virgs is basically the Daily Mail. You just reverse whatever he is being contrary about.
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Er, what about those of us who used stats to support our claims that the scores needed to be scored were getting bigger?

Sir Virgs is basically the Daily Mail. You just reverse whatever he is being contrary about.
I was being magnanimous in victory
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How many of those 300 scores have been chased?

3 or 4 maybe?

So make 300 and you nearly alwAys win.

Same old.
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How many of those 300 scores have been chased?

3 or 4 maybe?

So make 300 and you nearly alwAys win.

Same old.
Of those 300+ totals how many times have India, South Africa, Australia or New Zealand been required to chase them?

And how many times have the associates been required to chase a total of 300+?

Context.
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Times AUS, IND, SA or NZ required to chase 300+: once. SA failed. 1 instance out of 16 is hardly a fair sample size is it?

Times an associate has been required to chase 300+: 5. One successful chase. Quelle surprise!

The rest will be failed chases by the England, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Pakistan and the West Indies. Hardly surprising bearing in mind there appears to be a clear division in abilities between the top 4 and the rest.
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Times AUS, IND, SA or NZ required to chase 300+: once. SA failed. 1 instance out of 16 is hardly a fair sample size is it?

Times an associate has been required to chase 300+: 5. One successful chase. Quelle surprise!

The rest will be failed chases by the England, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Pakistan and the West Indies. Hardly surprising bearing in mind there appears to be a clear division in abilities between the top 4 and the rest.
The thing is how badly the sides batting 2nd fell short, especially South Africa. It shows their fragile mental state.
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The thing is how badly the sides batting 2nd fell short, especially South Africa. It shows their fragile mental state.
I don't buy this. I think it's just that sides think they need to go hard to chase so many and are therefore vulnerable to collapsing in a heap.
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How many of those 300 scores have been chased?

3 or 4 maybe?

So make 300 and you nearly alwAys win.

Same old.
It's not the 'same old' though is it.

Not all that long ago 300 on the board was essentially job done, these days it's not. The % rate of 300 being chased down is FAR higher than it was 10 years ago, as is the overal % of 300 scores - not to mention how often we're seeing 330, even 350 and 400 surpassed, that was completely unheard of 10 years ago. The only thing 'same old' is English cricket and its outdated fans and mindset. world cricket has left us behind.
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I don't buy this. I think it's just that sides think they need to go hard to chase so many and are therefore vulnerable to collapsing in a heap.
South Africa have immense batting firepower and India's bowling isn't the best by some way. The Saffers were like headless chickens, as shown by the run outs. Not backing them for the trophy.
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Us scoring 300 and delaying big hitters to then lose vs Sri lanka in Australasia is nothing new. This was the famous match where ranatunga marched off his troops. Check out Nick knight's innings. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65577.html

The way he talks you would think he never did this.
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His ODI career strike-rate was a very pedestrian 71.52.
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His ODI career strike-rate was a very pedestrian 71.52.
I know. In the era of the pinch hitter too! It was okay though because he used his feet and charged the seamers, the fact he flat batted it to mid on every time is an irrelevance because he showed intent!
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I know. In the era of the pinch hitter too! It was okay though because he used his feet and charged the seamers, the fact he flat batted it to mid on every time is an irrelevance because he showed intent!
Stop it.

I'm now imagining Knight commentating on himself

"And that's good from Knight there as he's showing intent"


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South Africa have immense batting firepower and India's bowling isn't the best by some way. The Saffers were like headless chickens, as shown by the run outs. Not backing them for the trophy.
Having immense batting firepower isn't the same as automatically chasing a big score losing early wickets. India has bowled well this tournament too, including in that game, irrespective of how well rated the bowlers were coming in.
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