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Old 7th March 2015, 07:10   #81
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Saffer line up looks as likely to get all out for under 200 as score 400. So basically they will hammer people or be thrashed themselves. Fascinating.
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Old 7th March 2015, 20:33   #82
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So can we agree that par is looking at around 330-340 at most grounds?
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Old 7th March 2015, 21:20   #83
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Having immense batting firepower isn't the same as automatically chasing a big score losing early wickets. India has bowled well this tournament too, including in that game, irrespective of how well rated the bowlers were coming in.
Today further evidence of the Saffers mental frailties.
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Old 8th March 2015, 23:36   #84
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Today further evidence of the Saffers mental frailties.
Did you watch the game? I backed Pakistan from when SA were 4 down, because the bowling was excellent and the ball was doing plenty, plus the South African's had a lot of tailenders. If it's mental frailty to be beaten by a side performing better than you then fine, call it mental frailty but I'd call it being beaten by a side playing better cricket. It's not like they failed to chase 150. I think they just don't have a very well balanced side and rely far too heavily on two batsmen (both of whom got runs, by the way).
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Old 9th March 2015, 00:35   #85
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So can we agree that par is looking at around 330-340 at most grounds?
We can agree that is a winning score, yes.
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Old 9th March 2015, 08:19   #86
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We can agree that is a winning score, yes.
What's the difference again?
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Old 11th March 2015, 02:05   #87
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We can agree that is a winning score, yes.
340 is a winning score most of the time.

300 is little above average most of the time.
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Old 11th March 2015, 16:44   #88
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Did you watch the game? I backed Pakistan from when SA were 4 down, because the bowling was excellent and the ball was doing plenty, plus the South African's had a lot of tailenders. If it's mental frailty to be beaten by a side performing better than you then fine, call it mental frailty but I'd call it being beaten by a side playing better cricket. It's not like they failed to chase 150. I think they just don't have a very well balanced side and rely far too heavily on two batsmen (both of whom got runs, by the way).
they did fail to chase down 222 in a tournament where par is over 300. Feel for the Saffers bowlers who did the hard work and the batsmen let them down.
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Old 12th March 2015, 23:07   #89
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they did fail to chase down 222 in a tournament where par is over 300. Feel for the Saffers bowlers who did the hard work and the batsmen let them down.
Was a poor chase but against a very impressive bowling performance. I'm not that convinced that bowling Pakistan out for not many is all that either.
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Was a poor chase but against a very impressive bowling performance. I'm not that convinced that bowling Pakistan out for not many is all that either.
Surely the way to view "par" is that there is a range that relates to the prevailing ground and wicket conditions on a particular day. A mythical "standard" batting performance versus a "standard" bowling and fielding effort would produce the "par" score.

On any given day, however, a stronger than expected performance with the bat will result in better than par, unless there is a commensurately strong bowling and fielding performance.

There are so many variables and ranges of performance by each player in each of the sets of fifty overs and under performance for part of an innings can be compensated for by an overachievement for the balance of the innings.

Given the two new balls now in use and the limit of only four fielders outside the circle for the majority of the innings, higher scores would be expected, all other factors being equal. Dale Steyn has stated that bowling yorkers is higher risk with the harder ball, since missing the block hole ever so slightly is likely to be punished by batsmen more than would occur with an older, softer ball.
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Old 30th March 2015, 14:01   #92
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The most interesting thing to note, I think, is actually the scoring rate in the middle overs of the winning sides - better than a run a ball.
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The most interesting thing to note, I think, is actually the scoring rate in the middle overs of the winning sides - better than a run a ball.
It is interesting but I think you need to pull the simple run chases where sides were able to go hard in the middle overs knowing they'd win (NZ just about got into the middle overs against England, I think) and the batting power play probably should be pulled out as a distinct entity too.
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Old 12th June 2015, 17:21   #94
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Did Virgs ever agree what a par score was?
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Did Virgs ever agree what a par score was?
Definitely less than 300, was my understanding.
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Old 15th June 2015, 19:42   #96
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Yup. World Cup was deffo under 300. The stupid field regulations have meant that teams now score loads at the end.

How many of the World Cup matches between test nations saw a first innings of 300 and lost?
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Sorry. I just read the average runs per over as 5.65.

There is your answer 5.65 x 50 = 283

Round it up to 375.
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Three first innings scores near 300 in a row. The commentators for the 2013 champions trophy are finally right in their par score analysis...
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Three first innings scores near 300 in a row. The commentators for the 2013 champions trophy are finally right in their par score analysis...
Are you suggesting they were ahead of their times?
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Three first innings scores near 300 in a row. The commentators for the 2013 champions trophy are finally right in their par score analysis...
And all won by a country mile. So maybe above par
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