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Old 2nd June 2015, 20:03   #81
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Ali has been left out to go and find his bowling rhythm which he has still not recovered after his World Cup injury.
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Old 2nd June 2015, 20:04   #82
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Bizarre decision IMO. Even if he isn't opening, he seems like a good option in ODIs, certainly when Rashid is the only spin bowler in the squad. The rest of the squad seems alright.
Replaced by a worse batsman and worse bowler, certainly in the format.

Possibly a reasonable decision if done for the reasons SVaZ gives, otherwise very rum. They do say he's been left out to play for Worcs to get time to find form for the Ashes.
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Old 2nd June 2015, 20:08   #83
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No Treadwell, what do they have against him?
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Old 2nd June 2015, 20:10   #84
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No Treadwell, what do they have against him?
Presumably no interest looking towards next World Cup.
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Old 2nd June 2015, 20:22   #85
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Genuinely exciting batsmen in that squad but the bowling is very weak. Still, I can't really see anyone outside of the squad who would improve it. Pleased to see Bell, Anderson and Broad omitted - I should think they have played their last ODI. Leaving Moeen out was a surprise but giving him more red ball cricket seems like a good idea to me. I hope Rashid goes well but I fear he is on a hiding to nothing.
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Old 2nd June 2015, 20:36   #86
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I would imagine that Rashid has been picked to give him some international exposure and thus to allow them to make a more informed decision about whether or not he is likely to be a better test bowler than the disappointing Ali. Tredwell they already know is a better test bowler than Ali but seemingly he lacks the batting that Rashid and Ali can offer. There is also presumably the option of playing two spinners at Cardiff, where there is unlikely to be much in the pitch for the seamers. Basically this ODI series is a complete waste of time unless it can help us improve our dismal test side for the Ashes series. There are plenty of ODIs in which to drop everyone and pick them all again several times before the next worthwhile ODI series.
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Old 2nd June 2015, 21:02   #87
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Do we know how much county cricket they will get if any for those left out?
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Old 2nd June 2015, 22:34   #88
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Do we know how much county cricket they will get if any for those left out?
Ali might get some tips on how to bowl with a bent arm from his county teammate.
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ODI squad for NZ series announced:

Morgan (c), Billings (wkt), Buttler (wkt), Finn, Hales, Jordan, Plunkett, Rashid, Root, Roy, Stokes, Taylor, Willey, Wood.
Well, guess it's different.
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ODI squad

141 ODIs 3938 runs at 35.47 HS 124* 7/22 - Morgan
55 ODIs 1280 runs at 32.00 HS 121 1/7 - Buttler (24)
54 ODIs 1802 runs at 40.04 HS 121 4/8 - Root (24)
24 ODIs 282 runs at 15.66 HS 70 0/1 - Stokes (23)
18 ODIs 492 runs at 35.14 HS 98* 0/5 - Taylor (25)
10 ODIs 190 runs at 21.11 HS 42 0/0 - Hales (26)
1 ODI 0 runs - Roy (24)
0 - Billings (23)

57 ODIs 486.4 overs 86 wickets at 28.10 econ 4.96 s/r 33.9 - Finn (26)
29 ODIs 227.1 overs 39 wickets at 33.87 econ 5.81 s/r 34.9 - Plunkett (30)
22 ODIs 190.2 overs 37 wickets at 28.78 econ 5.59 s/r 30.8 - Jordan (26)
6 ODIs 34.0 overs 3 wickets at 63.66 econ 5.61 s/r 68.0 - Rashid (27)
1 ODI 4.0 overs 1 wicket at 17.00 econ 4.25 s/r 24.0 - Willey (25)
1 ODI 5.0 overs 1 wicket at 25.00 econ 5.00 s/r 30.0 - Wood (25)
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Fairly easy to see why they've been reluctant to pick Rashid.
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Fairly easy to see why they've been reluctant to pick Rashid.
I wonder how he will do at McCullum.
and how our batsmen will go against Southee, Boult and Henry.
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Old 3rd June 2015, 02:42   #93
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ODI squad

141 ODIs 3938 runs at 35.47 HS 124* 7/22 - Morgan
55 ODIs 1280 runs at 32.00 HS 121 1/7 - Buttler (24)
54 ODIs 1802 runs at 40.04 HS 121 4/8 - Root (24)
24 ODIs 282 runs at 15.66 HS 70 0/1 - Stokes (23)
18 ODIs 492 runs at 35.14 HS 98* 0/5 - Taylor (25)
10 ODIs 190 runs at 21.11 HS 42 0/0 - Hales (26)
1 ODI 0 runs - Roy (24)
0 - Billings (23)

57 ODIs 486.4 overs 86 wickets at 28.10 econ 4.96 s/r 33.9 - Finn (26)
29 ODIs 227.1 overs 39 wickets at 33.87 econ 5.81 s/r 34.9 - Plunkett (30)
22 ODIs 190.2 overs 37 wickets at 28.78 econ 5.59 s/r 30.8 - Jordan (26)
6 ODIs 34.0 overs 3 wickets at 63.66 econ 5.61 s/r 68.0 - Rashid (27)
1 ODI 4.0 overs 1 wicket at 17.00 econ 4.25 s/r 24.0 - Willey (25)
1 ODI 5.0 overs 1 wicket at 25.00 econ 5.00 s/r 30.0 - Wood (25)
It looks like a whole flock of sacrificial lambs, up against NZ, with one grey bearded old shepherd, Captain Morgan.
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Old 3rd June 2015, 06:59   #94
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The Kiwi Test side - playing their Test game at that - should have the ODI measure of that selection.

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Fairly easy to see why they've been reluctant to pick Rashid.
His domestic record in list A is much better than Ali, though. Averages 30 v 39 and at a better e/r, 5.1 v 5.4
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They have to pick a spinner and are a bit embarrassed about taking him to West Indies.

When he gets tonked round the park, they'll be able to claim they were right all along.
Sadly, probably true, even if they'd be writing off a possible test career on the basis of a few ODIs. One day cricket is definitely not Rashid's stronger suit.
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ODI squad

141 ODIs 3938 runs at 35.47 HS 124* 7/22 - Morgan
55 ODIs 1280 runs at 32.00 HS 121 1/7 - Buttler (24)
54 ODIs 1802 runs at 40.04 HS 121 4/8 - Root (24)
24 ODIs 282 runs at 15.66 HS 70 0/1 - Stokes (23)
18 ODIs 492 runs at 35.14 HS 98* 0/5 - Taylor (25)
10 ODIs 190 runs at 21.11 HS 42 0/0 - Hales (26)
1 ODI 0 runs - Roy (24)
0 - Billings (23)

57 ODIs 486.4 overs 86 wickets at 28.10 econ 4.96 s/r 33.9 - Finn (26)
29 ODIs 227.1 overs 39 wickets at 33.87 econ 5.81 s/r 34.9 - Plunkett (30)
22 ODIs 190.2 overs 37 wickets at 28.78 econ 5.59 s/r 30.8 - Jordan (26)
6 ODIs 34.0 overs 3 wickets at 63.66 econ 5.61 s/r 68.0 - Rashid (27)
1 ODI 4.0 overs 1 wicket at 17.00 econ 4.25 s/r 24.0 - Willey (25)
1 ODI 5.0 overs 1 wicket at 25.00 econ 5.00 s/r 30.0 - Wood (25)
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Fairly easy to see why they've been reluctant to pick Rashid.
And, on the figures alone, difficult to see why they've been so keen to pick Stokes.
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I'll be interested to see what batting order they go with in the ODI series. It was clear during the World Cup that Jos Buttler was wasted at 7 and my personal preference would be for him to bat at 5...the position occupied by a hideously out of form Eoin Morgan.

They also need to find room for Stokes in the top six - again, I think he is ideally suited to number 5 but if Buttler moves to 6 then Stokes will need to come in at 4, with Joe Root coming in first drop.

From the squad selected I would probably go for (assuming Morgan has to play):

Hales
Roy
Root
Stokes
Morgan
Buttler
Willey
Rashid
Jordan
Wood
Finn
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Fairly easy to see why they've been reluctant to pick Rashid.
To be fair, Rashid's stats are from an appallingly small sample size of games from 6 years ago, so should probably be discounted completely.
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To be fair, Rashid's stats are from an appallingly small sample size of games from 6 years ago, so should probably be discounted completely.
Thank you. I just saw the stats and had no idea when he had last played.
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